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I'd like to be able to see who I'm

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I'm not a professional speaker of course

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so I tend to I tend to ramble uh is

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there a microphone here that people uh

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will be asking questions on later

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um you know I I would like to make a

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I tend to I get off on these on this

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branch and I I start getting distracted

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I start going off on these little Limbs

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and pretty soon I find myself out on a

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limb and I don't know where I've been

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I've got to be brought back to where I

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was so uh if some if we could designate

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somebody or maybe just the audience

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itself will just keep track of where I

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where I've been bring me back once I get

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out on a limb uh I would appreciate that

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um oh I meant to bring a copy my book up

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in 63 years uh

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uh I've never given much really much

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consideration to my name I've gotten a

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lot of variations on it of course

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it's krapf

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and I pronounce it Croft

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a lot of people give it other

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pronunciations and other spellings

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and crap is one of them of course

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but um I never I mean you know I know I

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know it's an unusual name I know it's

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kind of funny in a way but I never

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really gave really too much thought

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about underlying message in that name

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until I was checking out amazon.com just

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looking at some of the reviews on my

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book recently and also there was a

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review written somewhere else and this

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person uh at uh at amazon.com said that

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he's been studying he's he's a Critic

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he's been studying this field all of his

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life and he's uh he's 25 years old and

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that's an awful funny name so it's

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probably a pen name and another reviewer

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also said that a very suspicious name

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and I started thinking what is

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suspicious about the name I know it's

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unusual so I started running it over my

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mind in 63 years it never occurred to me

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that they could be interpreted as it's

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Phillip H crowd maybe full of H horse

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crap I don't know

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but anyway

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um

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have a speech written

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I originally turned down

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um uh invitations of speeches because I

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was terrified of giving a speech I just

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I just didn't think I could do it

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without wetting my pants or fainting or

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whatever but Don Waldrop called me one

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day and he talked me about for about 45

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minutes to an hour and he talked me into

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uh into appearing so I said okay you

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know I'm fine you talked me into it so I

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called up all the other people that had

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invited me to uh address them and I um

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uh to be fair I said I'm I'm ex I've

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accepted this one speaking engagement so

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I will uh if the invitation still is

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still open I'll I'll address your group

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so um I I did and I wrote a speech out

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read I started reading it and I I read

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just the first page and I just wasn't

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comfortable with it and so

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talking somebody turned the house lights

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and I just started talking and what

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happens is that it kind of turns into an

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exchange which I kind of like first of

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all I can know how many people here have

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okay a lot of people haven't so then I

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should I should spend some time on uh on

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giving a brief synopsis I guess of what

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the book is and after that it just

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people have a lot of questions and um

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comfortable for me although I can go on

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and on and on I went on one time for

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four hours so uh you know

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um I do have an outline on my speech I'm

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not going to read my speech but I do

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have an outline it kind of keeps me

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somewhat focused although as I say I do

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go out I do go out on limbs so basically

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my book

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um I come from the mainstream I've never

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read anything in the UFO uh Alien

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never believed it I always thought the

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people who

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who made these claims were to put a

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realistically the word we use in the

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newspaper business and I suppose in

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other parts of the mainstream although

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my life is in the newspaper business is

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wackos and crackpots and and things of

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that nature and little did I know that I

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I I don't I'm an outsider and uh I I am

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I'm still trying to remain outside

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although the mainstream is kind of

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pushing me away uh there's a there's a

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certain isolation a certain distance

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that grows between you

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and people in that Community especially

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in the newspaper business where most uh

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most reporters most newspaper people are

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Skeptics and they they simply don't

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believe and if you start identifying uh

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yourself as one of them while you start

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getting isolated also so I've been I've

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been isolated from that that Community I

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haven't quite been accepted totally in

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the UFO Community as well because there

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are some people

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um there's um

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uh there are some very judgmental people

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in this in this community and um at

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first I thought that most people in this

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community when I was an outsider were

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basically uh were basically crackpots

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and we're those and uh you know and and

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we just we just kind of kiss them off we

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just we just ignore them and that's the

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what the mainstream media have been

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doing for years and years and years they

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just haven't been paying any attention

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to to

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um to these stories

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where was I going

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anyway uh I had a thought there and I

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you I was going to make that point uh I

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I I've been isolated somewhat from the

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mainstream Community uh the neighbors uh

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this neighbor I don't see the neighbors

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as often I still see them occasionally

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but there's a lot of a lot more of this

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uh this foot shuffling stuff when we

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meet you know and and that sort of thing

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um I've lost I've suffered some broken

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relationships some some of my friends uh

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some very close friends have have stood

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by me uh and we have very good relations

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we still have a very good relationship

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one particular friend he's a former

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reporter at the Los Angeles Times

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um he's a skeptic and naturally you know

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the same as I was and he says I don't

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want to hear about your book I don't

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want to know about your book I don't

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want to talk about your book and our

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relationship works fine on that level

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so we don't discuss it

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um but we still have a close

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relationship other people have have

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distance themselves for me they've drawn

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away so I'm actually a man

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um you've heard of The Man Without a

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country I'm a Man Without a community I

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guess because uh I haven't quite uh I

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haven't quite stepped into the the UFO

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Community alien abduction Community

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because basically by Nature I'm still a

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skeptic

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reasonable alternative explanation as to

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to explain my experience but until then

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I have to go upon my own sensory

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Impressions that of what I believe

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happened to me and and all I can do is

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describe that also um because I haven't

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read in this in this field uh I've been

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contacted by a lot of people since the

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book came out a lot of re-ufo

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researchers a lot of people with some

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um strange ideas strange to me maybe not

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not to you because you're in the

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community and I'm still kind of an

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outsider I'm I try to get myself an

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education by going over to the the

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bookstores and starting to read on on

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what's available but there is so much

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material there I was overwhelmed I just

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didn't I just didn't know that there was

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that much material and uh so I felt that

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I really couldn't get an education

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because even if 90 of it is authentic

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and only 10 is not authentic just by

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happenstance I could spend the next to

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the rest of my life years reading just

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by just by Chance the ten percent of

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non-authnic material and never never

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then I was filled with the people were

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calling me and suggesting so many weird

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things I mean to you know weird

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perspective as a mainstream person uh

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who didn't believe in this kind of stuff

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suggesting so many things and uh and um

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I said well it's for example

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um could these people have uh

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communicated with you telepathically

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scientist always has his mind open and

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would say of course it's possible uh I

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don't I don't think so I I heard them

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talking to me I heard the words coming

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coming from them to me but

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if if there is such a thing as telepathy

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and I don't know that there is

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and if no one here has ever had a

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telepathic communication with anybody

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and you haven't had any experience with

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it how do you know what form it takes

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you don't know that if someone sends you

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a telepathic message if I send you a

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telepathic message are you going to hear

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it inside your own head just as you hear

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the words inside your head when you're

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reading a book or you're going to hear

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it as words being spoken without that

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experience you don't know so I say I

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don't know they could have spoken to me

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telepathically and so many many things

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have been suggested to the point where

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my mind was getting cluttered and I was

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losing focus of My Own Story

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and so I decided that I'm not going to

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take I'm not going to listen to this

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stuff this I'm not going to take this

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stuff seriously anymore uh I'll listen

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and but I'm not going to I'm not going

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to do any particular particular reading

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because I don't know where to start I

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don't know where it's going to take me

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all I can do is um Jody Foster in the in

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the movie contact Carl siggins based on

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Carl Sagan's book said that um

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I have it written down here

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when she came back from her space

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adventure

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she said I I hadn't experienced I can't

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prove it I can't even even explain it

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but everything that I know as a human

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being everything that I that I am tells

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me that it was real

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well I too had an experience

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and I can't prove it and I can't explain

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it all I can do is describe it and

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that's what I do I describe my

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experience again I am by skeptic I am by

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Nature a skeptic my mind is open to any

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reasonable alternative explanation as to

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what occurred

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um it's been suggested that I never left

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my bed that the um that the message was

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implanted it's been suggested that I was

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either I'm being manipulated by the CIA

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that I'm under their control somehow

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it's been suggested to come in contact

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with Fallen Angels it's been suggested

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that I've been um uh somehow under the

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influence of some these Sinister uh

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aliens who are going to establish a one

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world government and they will be the

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Puppet Masters they will pull the

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strings and uh our leaders will do their

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many things have been suggested

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uh sounded like a ray gun to me

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I said anyway let me tell you uh let me

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tell you briefly about about my book and

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then the you probably want to ask some

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questions

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um I went to bed as a very oh I know

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what I wanted to mention also

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um

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I I thought most people in this field uh

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were you know just kind of you know kind

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of on the fringes people that I normally

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wouldn't take too seriously or associate

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with since I've got into the field I was

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very very surprised to discover that

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what we're basically talking about is

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just very very

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um

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uh conservative when I say conservative

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I'm not talking politically I'm talking

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people who have jobs who have training

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who have who go to to work and then you

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know mainstream thank you

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thank you they have uh they have

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education they're Lucid rational

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reasonable many of them with Advanced

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degrees who believe that there's enough

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evidence to support the belief that the

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aliens are in the neighborhood uh I was

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surprised to find that however we would

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be misleading ourselves if we if we did

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not acknowledge that there is The Fringe

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element uh there are there are the

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wackos I mean it's it's it is a magnet

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for four Disturbed people

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um so at first it was difficult for me

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to make the distinction but but as I

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started talking to people as they

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started talking to me I was starting to

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I was able to start making the

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distinction the Times by the way has a

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and they're pretty good at this the

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editors they have um when calls come in

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within two or three or four sentences

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they can determine uh whether this is a

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legitimate caller whether it's someone

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who is a little bit disturbed and they

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have what they call a nut phone and the

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nut phone is answered by a copy boy or a

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copy girl a copy girl so they say well

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let me try to let me transfer you to to

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our expert on that particular field and

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this and this copy boy this cubby girl's

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job is to just sit there and listen and

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agree and Aha and yes that's interesting

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and then it's just kind of um you know

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humor them uh so I've been able to kind

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of make that to think to myself there

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there's there's a but for the vast the

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vast majority of people I've met are

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mainstream very Ordinary People surprise

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surprise

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um as I say there is there is The Fringe

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element there are those people who are

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who have made up their minds about what

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uh what to believe uh they have they

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have adopted a certain scenario that

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they believe and anything that deviates

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from that uh is um they're not going to

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accept they're going to challenge

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because they've already made up their

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minds and uh these people there are

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people who know everything they know

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everything they have all the answers to

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everything and it's it's wonderful to be

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in that position to do to be that you

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know to have that kind of knowledge and

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to uh to know that you know everything

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but the question arises in my mind I

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never ask them you know if you know so

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much why don't you write a book and go

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out on the lecture tour you know instead

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of coming bugging me but uh

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but anyway

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um so

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I go to bed as a very

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mainstream sane person and I wake up in

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the middle of the night and the room is

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filled with a kind of a bluish white

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iridescent light and um

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I'm not a superstitious person

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um

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and I uh I I thought I'd fallen asleep

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with the television set on so I reached

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for the remote control and um I aimed it

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at the the screen but the screen was

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dark

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so I knew well it wasn't coming from

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there and I looked the drapes were drawn

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there's a street light out in front of

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my house and I thought maybe it might be

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coming in from there the um the drapes

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were drawn so it wasn't there so well

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okay well we've got to find out what

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this is so I I get up out of bed and I

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um controlling the the lamp in the room

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and I got no more than two or three feet

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when all of a sudden I no longer felt uh

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I no longer felt the the my feet against

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the uh against the the carpeted carpeted

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floor and uh uh the the light uh

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narrowed into a a beam or into a a tight

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uh Spotlight being it was floodlight

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before and now it's now it's focused

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into a uh a uh a spotlight beam and I'm

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it's focused on me and Nick saying I

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know I feel like I'm rising it was only

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momentarily I felt like I'm rising and

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then within a matter of split seconds

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um I did not see the the ground falling

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away I did not see anything up there I

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did not see anything out there all I saw

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was this light surrounding me but I knew

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that I I felt for momentarily like a p

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being sucked up into a straw and I found

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myself amongst a very

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uh in a room full of very strange

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creatures and I knew immediately

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intellectually

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um what had happened

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um my mind was trying to deny it because

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it was it went against everything that I

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believed everything that I everything

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that I um

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everything that that I that I believe

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that I that I

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I'm searching for words I can't find a

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while I'll forget them

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um and uh

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and I but I was also wondering I knew I

448
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knew what had happened I had heard these

449
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stories about alien abductions we all

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have it's been in the it's been in the

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mainstream press the mainstream press

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has not given a lot of coverage to it

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but I think everyone has been aware of

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it uh television has been doing a lot

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with it because of the the Millennium

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coming up and because of the anniversary

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last year of Roswell and we've all seen

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the we've all seen the caricature of the

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of the um the typical uh gray I guess

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you call them I didn't know what they

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were called in with the big eyes and

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everything else uh that's all that's

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that's all over the place that's in

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candy stores and comic books and

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everything else you can't you can't

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escape that so that's not that's not

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anything esoteric just in this

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particular field that's that's out in

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the mainstream and um I I knew I knew

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intellectually what had happened and I

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never felt so wrong in my life

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um and if I have come away with anything

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any if I've learned just one thing out

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of this whole experience it is that

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there is such a thing as an abduction

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experience I never believed that before

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I had an abduction experience

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I do not believe that all people who

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have abduction experiences

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have been abducted I've been contacted

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by a lot of people and I was very very

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curious the first ones who contacted me

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I was I've never been in the mainstream

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and never had any contact with these

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people I was very very curious and uh

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please I said tell me tell me what was

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your experience what was it like and I

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don't mean to embarrass anybody and I

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don't even know if that person might be

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here so I won't I won't go into the

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details of it but he described an

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experience that

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um to me I could sympathize with them

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because the man was the man was going

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through a trauma this man believed that

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he had been abducted the story he told

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me was so lacking in detail that I felt

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that I was not convinced that he had

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been abducted now I'm I mean I can't say

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he wasn't all I'm saying is that I was

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not convinced that he was but there are

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people who have abduction experiences

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some of them are very real

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some of them may not be real some of

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them may be just in their minds

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nevertheless

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they all still suffer the trauma of it

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they have to deal with it they have to

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they have to either tell their friends

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and their relatives and their co-workers

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and put up with the ridicule and the

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derision and the withdrawal and the

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distance put between them

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or they have to well they have to keep a

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bottle up inside themselves in which

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case it also creates uh creates trauma

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and so the there are support groups I

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understand in this field uh to to help

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these people deal with with their

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experiences so I am convinced without a

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doubt that there is such a thing as an

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abduction experience

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and um

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uh but at the same time I am keeping an

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open mind on my experience anyway I

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found myself in this room full of I'll

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make this very quick

528
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this synopsis I found myself in this

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room full of very very strange creatures

530
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and I thought I was there for an

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examination because from what I had read

532
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in the mainstream press uh the that's

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the one story that tied all of these

534
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that's the one thread that tied all

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these these these stories together that

536
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they were there basically for

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examinations and I thought I was there

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for an examination it turned out that I

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was not there for an examination

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I was there as as a person who had been

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recruited to perform a particular task

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and what they they we went to another we

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went to another uh room and we sat down

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and uh over the next 70 to 72 hours or

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so according to my estimations uh we had

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a series of meetings lasting for for six

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hours at a time with periodic breaks and

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there was two also two sleep breaks for

549
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[Music]

550
00:22:03,730 --> 00:22:03,120
oh they they said that they have been

551
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:03,740
um

552
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:07,620
recruiting very prominent people now

553
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:09,419
they've changed their in the past they

554
00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:12,179
had been abducting uh very Anonymous

555
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,260
people people who

556
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,760
who wouldn't necessarily draw a lot of

557
00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:19,200
attention to themselves as they started

558
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,340
talking about their abduction

559
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:22,500
experiences

560
00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:25,140
um they're not they might get some they

561
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,140
might get some press in the um in the

562
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,240
tabloids but they wouldn't get very much

563
00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:33,360
a mainstream press if anything at all

564
00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:36,539
um so uh and this was this was they did

565
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,580
this deliberately to keep a low profile

566
00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:40,740
first of all they uh they they didn't

567
00:22:44,110 --> 00:22:42,299
want the publicity they wanted to keep

568
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:44,120
as low profile as possible

569
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,320
uh and that was also to uh to not to

570
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,960
create any panic and also not to have an

571
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:53,280
influence on the culture that they were

572
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,140
studying if you're studying something

573
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,539
you don't want to inject too many

574
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,640
outside elements because it could skew

575
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:01,679
your your results of your study so they

576
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:03,900
did not want to uh have they wanted to

577
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,919
have as little influence upon the

578
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,780
culture as possible now they've done a

579
00:23:12,049 --> 00:23:08,640
reversal and they decided that the time

580
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,059
has come for um for our two our two

581
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:14,760
species to to meet formally

582
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,260
and the reason the reason that that is

583
00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:21,919
occurring now is because

584
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:25,799
uh mankind humankind has uh evolved to

585
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:27,299
the point where it's now on the verge of

586
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:30,840
going into deep space and uh these

587
00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:35,280
aliens uh monitor civilizations planets

588
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:38,039
planets with Advanced civilizations and

589
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:40,140
uh they keep them under observation to

590
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:41,580
determine their Fitness for going into

591
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:43,740
space because there are there are rules

592
00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:45,539
and regulations and there are there are

593
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,700
qualifications

594
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:48,960
basically what it comes down to is that

595
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:51,419
hostile species are not allowed to go

596
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,419
into space any any species that is

597
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,159
aggressive enough or could or it could

598
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:58,860
Menace its neighbors uh they they're

599
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,020
simply kept isolated until such time as

600
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,600
they evolved to the point where they can

601
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:06,000
get along with themselves and with the

602
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:06,840
um

603
00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:10,679
and with their neighbors so mankind uh

604
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:13,559
has has achieved that that that that has

605
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:15,059
come to that point where he's on the on

606
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,260
the verge of going into space so they

607
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:18,960
say the time has come to uh for our two

608
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:21,000
two peoples to meet in a in a Summit

609
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:23,640
meeting and and they at first they

610
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,320
determined that uh we were very

611
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:28,200
borderline we we almost did not make the

612
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:31,020
grade to uh to be welcomed into space uh

613
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:32,820
because they looked at our uh they've

614
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,460
been observing the the planet for uh

615
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:38,460
many centuries and uh they saw they saw

616
00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:42,480
a very Savage brutal race and

617
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:45,419
um uh that that concerned them and they

618
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,100
felt that we would have to be isolated

619
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,740
until you know until we evolved to the

620
00:24:53,289 --> 00:24:51,659
point where we were not we were no

621
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,299
longer Savage and and and and and

622
00:24:57,730 --> 00:24:55,440
killers and they saw all of the the

623
00:25:01,210 --> 00:24:57,740
Mischief going on on Earth and then

624
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:01,220
surprise surprise uh a further study

625
00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:04,740
they they found out that the human

626
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,840
species is the most diverse species that

627
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:08,880
has ever come across

628
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:11,640
in all of his explorations never before

629
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,419
have they seen pure evil existing side

630
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:17,580
by side in the same species with pure

631
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:20,940
goodness uh this this this this this uh

632
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:22,919
this really uh reading through them for

633
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,860
a loop and then they saw a further study

634
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,140
they saw the nobler side of the human

635
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,720
Spirit they saw the great Arts and Music

636
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:33,059
and literature and architecture and and

637
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:36,900
they saw the the uh the the the thinkers

638
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:40,500
and the lovers and the billions of

639
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:44,460
ordinary human beings going about their

640
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:46,740
lives living ordinary everyday lives of

641
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:49,380
of simple human decency and they knew

642
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,740
there was a a part a a a part of the

643
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,320
character worth nurturing so at that

644
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:58,200
point they decided that we were

645
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,159
we were we humans were qualified to go

646
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,380
into space so what they've done is they

647
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:05,279
have been

648
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:07,640
um uh

649
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:12,059
abducting and um they uh the I use the

650
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,940
word abducting uh abductions they at one

651
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:18,000
point took uh took um exception to this

652
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:19,020
word they didn't like to use the word

653
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:20,700
abduction they like to describe these as

654
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:24,539
uh unsolicited visitations

655
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:28,320
uh so

656
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,080
um these uh they were they were uh

657
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:33,440
inviting

658
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,679
unsolicited visitors uh from every field

659
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:39,840
of human endeavor leaders of from every

660
00:26:48,370 --> 00:26:44,039
field of human endeavor uh uh education

661
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:48,380
politics the Arts uh manufacturing

662
00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:51,419
education uh religion whatever whatever

663
00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:58,970
recruiting ambassadors well these people

664
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:01,620
were named ambassadors to

665
00:27:06,649 --> 00:27:04,140
um to prepare them to help lay the

666
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,659
groundwork for the upcoming Summit which

667
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,179
can be expected in the next uh in the

668
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,760
next in the next decade or so but

669
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,740
certainly by the end of the uh the first

670
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,779
decade of the 21st Century

671
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,000
and um

672
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:19,919
they they name these people they they

673
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,000
gave these people the title of

674
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,799
Ambassador and there there are hundreds

675
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:24,000
of them I think there's close to

676
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,320
probably a thousand of them but it's

677
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,880
under a thousand so it is many many

678
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,340
hundreds uh they they took also an equal

679
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:32,340
number of lesser figures people uh

680
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,580
people without uh who were not leaders

681
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:36,960
in their field oh these these

682
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,179
ambassadors by the way uh were chosen

683
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,279
for their their uh leadership in their

684
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:42,960
field being able to influence their

685
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:45,179
their peers because of their their solid

686
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:47,460
reputations and also their credibility

687
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,020
in being able to influence large

688
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,200
segments of the population uh and also

689
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:53,760
they have the contacts with the

690
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:56,520
government leaders uh and then so then

691
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,440
they they took an equal number of people

692
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:01,440
to perform secondary or minor roles and

693
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:04,980
and these um uh these were named deputy

694
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,400
envoys and these these people were were

695
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:11,520
taken for specific to perform specific

696
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,820
roles and not necessarily to influence

697
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:16,440
public opinion because they simply

698
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:17,700
didn't have the credibility they were

699
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:20,400
almost almost Anonymous as well and I am

700
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,820
I'm one of those uh deputyon boys and uh

701
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:25,440
so I said well that's fine what do you

702
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,700
want from me and they said well we want

703
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:28,620
you to write a white paper explaining

704
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:31,320
who we are what we're doing here what

705
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,299
we've been what we've been doing how

706
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:35,520
long we've been here and what the what

707
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:38,580
the um what uh mankind humankind can

708
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,880
expect uh in the next decade or so uh as

709
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,460
this this Summit conference um uh

710
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,980
impending Summer Conference approaches

711
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,840
and um

712
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:50,039
so

713
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:50,760
um

714
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,260
quickly I uh I was flabbergasted by this

715
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,840
but I I agreed to write what they called

716
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,640
their white paper and basically it's

717
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:01,620
just supposed to be an overview of what

718
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,380
can be expected uh that people can turn

719
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:06,720
to when the other ambassadors start

720
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:09,539
coming out in several years and start

721
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:12,120
there is a timetable in place by the way

722
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:14,039
from what I understand when they start

723
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:16,260
coming out and admitting yes we've had

724
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:19,740
contact yes this is going on uh then

725
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,419
people will be able to turn to the book

726
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:23,279
and get some kind of an overview as

727
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:25,020
because it's like a cross it's like a

728
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,000
jigsaw puzzle going together each little

729
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:29,220
piece is meaningless unless you have a

730
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,799
picture of the uh uh you have a box with

731
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:33,480
the picture on the on the box and

732
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:35,399
basically that's what this book is it's

733
00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:38,220
to kind of give a general picture of

734
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,140
what can be expected as all these jigsaw

735
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:43,320
pieces start falling into place

736
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,539
and uh so

737
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:47,279
um I

738
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:53,820
of a white paper though as very

739
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,720
um very dry very technical uh

740
00:30:02,930 --> 00:29:59,520
containing just basically information

741
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:02,940
and I I decided on my own to to write a

742
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,340
diary so I included the information that

743
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,679
they they gave me over this period of 72

744
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,840
hours but I also included my own

745
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:11,760
personal experiences during my uh during

746
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:13,799
my informal periods when I took a tour

747
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:16,380
of the ship when I was dealing with my

748
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:17,580
own personal

749
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:22,020
um uh attendant and and tour guide uh so

750
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:24,120
I also included include that in the book

751
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:25,799
one of the most controversial things in

752
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,440
the book is the the last chapter and it

753
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,960
deals with religion I am

754
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:33,840
um I have been an agnostic most of my

755
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:37,799
adult life and in later years an atheist

756
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:38,399
um

757
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,520
I simply didn't believe

758
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:43,980
this this last chapter in which they uh

759
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:46,020
they discuss religion and they discuss

760
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:49,020
God and the immortal Soul uh is very

761
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:52,260
very controversial

762
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,100
um and um it even now I have trouble I

763
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:58,559
have trouble discussing it uh at this

764
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:01,320
point I can say that I believe what they

765
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,520
told me

766
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:05,460
uh I don't believe in God on the basis

767
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,799
of Faith because I think faith is by

768
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,080
nature belief in something that can't be

769
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:12,000
proven or for something for which there

770
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:13,620
is no

771
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,340
don't believe in the basis of Faith but

772
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:19,860
um at the same time what they told me I

773
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,380
believe them uh because they base it on

774
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,720
scientific facts so whereas an atheist

775
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:26,399
before I have no idea where I am right

776
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,500
now I just I don't know what I am

777
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,600
um so anyway that that's a very

778
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:35,580
controversial part of the book I I

779
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:37,140
considered I considered when I was

780
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,940
writing the book not to include it

781
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:40,440
because it really wasn't information

782
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:42,179
that was fed to me that I was supposed

783
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,620
to pass on it was just something that

784
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:46,559
that happened and I considered not not

785
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:48,539
including that I considered also not

786
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:54,720
including the one uh minor sexual

787
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,179
um uh

788
00:32:03,950 --> 00:31:59,760
um I don't know how to describe that uh

789
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:03,960
contact I guess or or episode episode I

790
00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:06,179
guess uh then I decided yeah you know

791
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,640
what I'm

792
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:10,200
I can't be vilified anymore anyway so I

793
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,380
might just go For Broke you know put

794
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:15,120
every put everything in Mazda taking my

795
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,380
you know might as well take take it off

796
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,120
they're they're going to hit me anyway I

797
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:20,220
knew I was going to pay a price and uh

798
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:23,700
and I I paid a price and um and uh still

799
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,260
paying the price

800
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:27,419
um I went into actually

801
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,260
um

802
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,240
uh actually I went into the the pressure

803
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:32,220
became so great when I got back and I

804
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,659
don't know if it was the the social

805
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:35,159
pressures that I was feeling or if it

806
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:36,899
was a reaction to my actual experience

807
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:40,140
but I went into seclusion uh and I and

808
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,919
what do you do when you go into

809
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:43,140
seclusion well I don't know well you

810
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:46,140
don't spit for number one but uh I've

811
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:47,700
never got into seclusion before so I

812
00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:49,559
just kind of uh played it by ear so I

813
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:51,419
just went up and got in bed and turned

814
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:54,840
on the television and um and uh and then

815
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:56,279
I thought well you know what you can't

816
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:57,720
sit here for a couple of months watching

817
00:33:02,090 --> 00:32:59,159
television without a couple of barrels

818
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:02,100
of ice cream to go along with it so so

819
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:06,620
uh I put on I put on 15 pounds and um

820
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,940
uh that maybe that was the cause of my

821
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:11,039
trauma I don't know but uh my pants are

822
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:12,840
tight I'm trying to take it off after I

823
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,679
retire from the times in uh in 93 uh you

824
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:18,120
know you sit behind a desk for 30 years

825
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,620
you're allowed to pick up you know a

826
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,640
couple of pounds a year and next thing

827
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,840
you know you're 60 pounds overweight

828
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,480
well I was 50. I was I guess 60 pounds

829
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:27,120
overweight and I I peel off 55 pounds I

830
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,019
went down from 215 to 160. and uh and

831
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,419
was feeding pretty good and I took in my

832
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:35,460
went in from a 42 inch waist to a 32

833
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:36,840
inch waist and then the ice cream

834
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,519
started to make my pants tight so I got

835
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:40,559
to get rid of of that but anyway I I

836
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:42,120
digress again I'm out on a limb

837
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,980
somewhere and uh

838
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:45,600
and gotta find my way back to the trunk

839
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,440
here

840
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,549
oh yeah okay okay I would yeah but

841
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:53,760
before I went into the seclusion I had

842
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:55,380
to come back so before let me bring

843
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,059
myself back

844
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,240
um so um so I agreed to

845
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:02,279
um I agreed to to to write this white

846
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,820
paper and I came back and I went into

847
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,740
um I went into my den and I closed the

848
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,659
door and I sat in there for about four

849
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:10,800
weeks or so

850
00:34:15,129 --> 00:34:13,619
um you know 12 14 hours a day it's seen

851
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:15,139
you know seemed like that much anyway

852
00:34:22,379 --> 00:34:19,619
and uh and and and wrote the book and

853
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:22,389
and there it is

854
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:30,609
um

855
00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:35,570
I'm sorry

856
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:41,930
are we talking about the sex

857
00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:42,970
yes yes yes

858
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:46,080
[Laughter]

859
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:53,270
that um that's that's really very

860
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:55,080
uncomfortable for me because as I say I

861
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,580
was not going to include it it's really

862
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,760
uncomfortable for me to talk about uh I

863
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:01,859
will if you're really really forced me

864
00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:03,290
to but

865
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:21,290
man the man

866
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:23,339
the man here says let's talk about what

867
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:27,060
they look like okay I realize that a lot

868
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:28,980
of the material in my book does not

869
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:30,359
conform

870
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,040
to many of the commonly held beliefs

871
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:36,680
uh by people in this community

872
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:39,839
uh what they believe and again I'm an

873
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:41,880
outsider I knew I

874
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:44,040
I can't argue

875
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,780
and I'm not going to argue I'm not

876
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:47,940
trying to persuade or convince anybody

877
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:49,560
of anything all I'm doing is describing

878
00:35:58,270 --> 00:35:53,280
my experience if my experience does not

879
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,280
does not meet or fall into the the

880
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,200
little pigeon holes that that you wanted

881
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:04,500
to I'm sorry for that but um all I can

882
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,740
do is describe uh describe what happened

883
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:10,560
to me they were about five foot two to

884
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,220
five foot four uh

885
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,700
um grayish white to a muted tan I

886
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:19,740
thought I saw kind of a greenish tinge

887
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,140
but again it was so slight that I'm not

888
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,180
sure if it was the lighting if I put

889
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:25,920
them in full sun like you know you know

890
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,720
to get really look at their their skin

891
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:30,240
coloring I'm not sure what what they

892
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,560
would I don't think know if I'd see that

893
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,320
Greenies tinge or not they had very thin

894
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,900
lips a nose that was almost non-existent

895
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,599
a couple of little nostrils and here's

896
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:41,520
where here's where they they uh they

897
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,320
deviate from the grays

898
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:45,420
and I never knew what a gray was I've

899
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:46,740
seen the pictures of them but I never

900
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,180
knew what they were called I mean I've

901
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,680
seen them you know with the with the big

902
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:51,720
eyes the big bug eyes the big dark eyes

903
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,660
mine were not like that and um and and

904
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:56,520
people have people have really gotten

905
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:57,780
hostile with me because of this because

906
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:00,359
they want by God they want uh they want

907
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:02,460
the their this you know this this

908
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:04,020
material to conform to what they already

909
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,579
believe they don't want their beliefs

910
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:07,200
challenge they're gonna have to do some

911
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,619
rethinking you know uh but uh the my my

912
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:15,599
people I call them people you know why

913
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,380
not they had slanted eyes and they were

914
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:21,660
more or less slits although I could see

915
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,660
I could see the eyes uh I could I

916
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,839
couldn't make out color they were dark

917
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,040
um and

918
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,560
um again this is this deviates from from

919
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,079
what people expect they they because of

920
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,119
because of the periodum predominance of

921
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,440
the Grays that they're there that

922
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,880
they're talking about I never knew what

923
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:40,800
a gray was but I have had people come up

924
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:43,740
to me afterwards and thank me because

925
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,900
and these these people were really in

926
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,820
trauma they they they couldn't talk to

927
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,200
anybody else they're young people they

928
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,640
have to go to work they can't they can't

929
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,320
tell people to work they they can't

930
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,720
jeopardize their jobs and and face the

931
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,359
the derision and the ridicule uh they

932
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,760
can't tell their families uh if they do

933
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:01,440
they they do face that if they don't

934
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:03,240
they keep it bottled up and thank you

935
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:05,339
very much because you know you described

936
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:09,180
an experience that that I had also and I

937
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:11,460
could not I could not get the you know I

938
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,619
could not get anybody to believe what

939
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:16,800
but uh you know the uh that that I had

940
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:19,320
that I saw those same people

941
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:20,460
so

942
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:21,200
um

943
00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:28,140
in my book

944
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:31,079
um is is uh is it disagrees with a lot

945
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,460
of the information that's out there but

946
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:34,320
then I've also found out

947
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:37,140
uh just from my email and for people

948
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:41,339
calling me and uh and uh and um

949
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,839
even

950
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:45,000
showing up on my doorstep was this kind

951
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:46,380
of eerie a guy comes from Baltimore

952
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:47,880
Maryland that says I'm here to talk to

953
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:49,320
you about your book

954
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,240
Jesus uh

955
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,800
how did you find out where I live I got

956
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,900
an unlisted house number

957
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:00,480
he says one of my investigators finds

958
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:06,349
um

959
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:12,300
uh put me back on track here

960
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,740
okay

961
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:16,260
um they were yeah they they had they had

962
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,700
the slanted eyes and then and people

963
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:19,320
people thanked me for describing them

964
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:20,280
because they said that was their

965
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,780
experience also

966
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,800
so

967
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:24,780
um

968
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,780
yes they they had they had uh they had

969
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:30,320
outward ears um

970
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,720
slightly slightly little different than

971
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,820
ours but proportional to their size of

972
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,619
their body

973
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:40,800
um nothing uh nothing really unusual I

974
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,060
thought they're a little bit a little

975
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,440
bit come to a little bit of a point

976
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:45,480
maybe not quite as round as ours but uh

977
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,859
yeah

978
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:49,020
um they were quite they were quite

979
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,000
proportional to the size of their bodies

980
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:53,460
and um

981
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:55,980
I I finally determined that the shorter

982
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,440
ones if I put two ones were the uh were

983
00:40:02,329 --> 00:40:01,140
the females and the larger ones although

984
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:02,339
they were built very slightly they're

985
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:05,940
very slightly built and um uh the larger

986
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:08,280
ones the five foot two to four were the

987
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:10,440
were the males and uh the reason for

988
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,280
that is that um uh I could um well first

989
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,520
of all I forgot to mention they wore

990
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:19,800
name tags name tags in English that I

991
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,020
could read uh because they had names

992
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:24,240
that I could not pronounce and I took I

993
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,619
took a stab at it a couple of times

994
00:40:30,589 --> 00:40:28,440
phonetically to try to spell their names

995
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,599
phonetically but I suspect that some of

996
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,460
the sounds that they have in their

997
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:34,920
language uh cannot be duplicated by

998
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:38,760
human vocal cords so uh pardon me

999
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:42,540
okay they told me that they come from a

1000
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,460
a Galaxy or a planet that is 10 million

1001
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,579
I think 10 million 12 million I've had

1002
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,079
to check the book I forget my little

1003
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,599
details 10 12 million light years away

1004
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:56,400
well that certainly would put them

1005
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,960
outside of the Milky Way galaxy because

1006
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,820
the Milky Way galaxy is what 100 000

1007
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,160
light years across so

1008
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,560
um and they said they can travel oh they

1009
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:06,240
said the name of their the name of their

1010
00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:08,940
Planet would translate into English as

1011
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:10,220
verdant

1012
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,900
um if I know my dictionary means Lush

1013
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,300
and green to me it meant a garden a

1014
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:20,220
garden planet and that's basically the

1015
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:21,780
garden planet is basically what they

1016
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,119
were telling me and uh so I I referred

1017
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:26,160
to them as the verdance

1018
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,500
um but I never heard them I I don't

1019
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,420
recall really hearing them refer to them

1020
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:33,119
as as verdants or verdantes or whatever

1021
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:34,619
you know I guess you could call them for

1022
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,320
dance or verdantes or verdance I just

1023
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,880
call them burdens

1024
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:40,560
um but to me it just means a garden

1025
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:42,660
planet

1026
00:41:50,089 --> 00:41:46,200
they said they they said they I I said

1027
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:50,099
10 12 million light years away uh you

1028
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,839
know

1029
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,520
no no that's not that's not possible

1030
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,500
because I mean I'm no scientist and I'm

1031
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,599
you know not even I'm not a scientist I

1032
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,460
don't even know I don't know the first

1033
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:01,680
thing about science but I do know that

1034
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:03,960
um that supposedly nothing can travel

1035
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:05,640
faster than the speed of light because

1036
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,180
as as mass begins approaching the speed

1037
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,040
of light it actually it transforms into

1038
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,740
energy and so nothing can travel faster

1039
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,839
than the speed of light so naturally uh

1040
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,640
they they but they said they can travel

1041
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,740
faster than the speed of light and I

1042
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:22,079
says yeah well how fast and they says uh

1043
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:26,040
a million times faster and uh and uh I I

1044
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:30,780
boggled at this well what they said was

1045
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,460
they don't travel in the conventional

1046
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,980
sense of traveling from point A to point

1047
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:36,060
B

1048
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:37,800
let's say that's uh let's say that's a

1049
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,540
light year

1050
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,280
light would travel light would take one

1051
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:43,920
year to travel that distance

1052
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,420
um they don't travel in the conventional

1053
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,520
sense they said what they do is they

1054
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,500
engage their mechanisms

1055
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:52,079
and they disappear from point A and

1056
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,780
instantaneously appear at point B now I

1057
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:57,420
don't know if they kind of uh warped

1058
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:59,460
time and space and everything else to do

1059
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:01,079
this I have no idea how this works but

1060
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:03,000
this is their propulsion system if it

1061
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:04,079
can be called a propulsion system

1062
00:43:09,069 --> 00:43:07,500
because they really don't travel across

1063
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,079
across that distance

1064
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,760
they they simply disappear from point A

1065
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:13,560
to point B then they disappear from

1066
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:16,920
point B to point C okay if they put this

1067
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,560
on cruise control

1068
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,900
um this I call this the Flicker Drive I

1069
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:23,640
I don't know what they called it but I'm

1070
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,780
sure they didn't call it Flicker Drive

1071
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,700
but that's the to me it's it's a flicker

1072
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,760
it flickers uh real fast so they can

1073
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,920
make they they have limits to how far

1074
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:34,160
they can they can jump in in one jump

1075
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:38,160
and approximately five six million miles

1076
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:40,440
I think so they can disappear from here

1077
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:42,540
and be five million miles down the road

1078
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,700
and then immediately instantaneously

1079
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:46,740
they disappear from there and again if

1080
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,940
they if it's on the maximum jump

1081
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,440
there'll be another five or six million

1082
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:51,540
miles down the road okay

1083
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,400
at a thousand times faster than the

1084
00:44:03,829 --> 00:43:59,750
that means that see light travels at

1085
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,839
about uh at 186 282 miles per second or

1086
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:04,880
about

1087
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:07,260
5.87 trillion miles a year let's round

1088
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:10,920
it off to 6 trillion miles a year so

1089
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:13,560
um if they wanted to travel if they

1090
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,990
a million light years down the road

1091
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,970
they turn on their Flicker Drive and

1092
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:24,359
then traveling at a million times faster

1093
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:25,560
than the speed of light if it's a

1094
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,940
million light years they're going to be

1095
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:28,680
there in one year

1096
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:32,280
okay uh they're flickering at the rate

1097
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:33,240
of

1098
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:38,099
32 000 31 to 32 000 times per second

1099
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:40,260
and that would that would be about one

1100
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:43,920
trillion flicks per year in one year

1101
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:45,300
they would find themselves a million

1102
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:47,099
years down the road

1103
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,140
so that light now traveling

1104
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,780
conventionally across space would take a

1105
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,280
million years to get there they've

1106
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:54,900
gotten there in a year by simply

1107
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,579
disappearing from here and repairing

1108
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,800
their blah blah blah blah 32 000 times

1109
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,780
per second for a full year for a

1110
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,940
trillion jumps

1111
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,200
um and that's the way they get around

1112
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:06,839
and that's in their conventional mode

1113
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:10,760
they said to travel longer distances

1114
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:14,579
they they do some other things that uh

1115
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:15,780
uh

1116
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:21,660
they're talking about wormholes and

1117
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,359
black holes and things of that nature

1118
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:26,160
that I I really don't understand so

1119
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:29,579
anyway that's the way they get around

1120
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:32,520
the universe and so

1121
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,440
um

1122
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:36,060
I don't know if they're 10 million light

1123
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,560
years away or 14 million light years

1124
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:39,660
away but whatever it is I think it's 14

1125
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:40,859
because I remember it would take them

1126
00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,780
about at at the thousand times faster

1127
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:44,339
than the speed of light if they came in

1128
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:45,960
conventional mode it would take them 14

1129
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:51,650
anything else

1130
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,670
well I think somebody said did they give

1131
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:00,000
me a constellation from which they're

1132
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,040
from uh no uh they did not but I suspect

1133
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:07,140
and they did give me you know they did

1134
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,240
give me some some specific locations on

1135
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,280
some other things but for some reason I

1136
00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:13,500
did not get a specific location on their

1137
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:19,160
on their Galaxy but I suspect that

1138
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,619
uh I think

1139
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,160
the Milky Way galaxy is in a the way I

1140
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:27,359
understand it is in a cluster of

1141
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,680
galaxies and I forget what it's called

1142
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,780
but I would imagine that it's so large

1143
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,819
that I would imagine that 10 to 14

1144
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:34,859
million light years would still put them

1145
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,460
within the the cluster the the galactic

1146
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,560
cluster that the Milky Way is in so but

1147
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,000
I don't know they're they're I don't

1148
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:45,200
know their exact location though

1149
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,060
do they represent a larger group like

1150
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:49,920
are they the representatives of the

1151
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:54,839
group of people okay they they uh they

1152
00:47:02,690 --> 00:46:58,500
are the they are the predominant species

1153
00:47:05,290 --> 00:47:02,700
in the universe but they they themselves

1154
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,300
were the first to begin exploring

1155
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:08,220
millions of years ago and coming across

1156
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,160
planets and then eventually as several

1157
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,640
dozen I guess of these groups got

1158
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:16,500
together

1159
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:19,500
um they formed the in what they call the

1160
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:21,240
intergalactic Federation of sovereign

1161
00:47:26,109 --> 00:47:23,880
planets now

1162
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,119
um the

1163
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:28,740
uh while they are the predominant

1164
00:47:32,770 --> 00:47:30,060
species

1165
00:47:34,510 --> 00:47:32,780
with I think about 500 trillion

1166
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:34,520
population

1167
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:37,920
on not only their home planet but but

1168
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:40,440
several hundred thousand colonized

1169
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:44,160
planets uh there's also there's also 27

1170
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:47,819
000 other species in this Federation not

1171
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,839
all of these species have developed the

1172
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:53,880
Flicker Drive and cannot get around the

1173
00:48:00,130 --> 00:47:57,540
universe as fast as they can and they

1174
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,140
really stress they really stress

1175
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:02,760
Sovereign they do not interfere in the

1176
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,359
domestic affairs of of other planets or

1177
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,880
of other species

1178
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:11,599
um they um and

1179
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,760
when we make contact I'm sure we will

1180
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:17,520
get a helping hand but they emphasize

1181
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:20,280
that our destiny Mankind's Destiny is in

1182
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,540
Mankind's hands they're not just going

1183
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:23,460
to hand over their technology to us and

1184
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:24,420
all of a sudden we're going to be

1185
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,560
flitting all around the universe it

1186
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,480
doesn't work that way they're out of the

1187
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:29,579
27 000 species

1188
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,500
there are and I don't know the specific

1189
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:33,599
specific number there are a number of

1190
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:35,940
species that have developed Flicker

1191
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,339
Drive and that are on exploration trips

1192
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:41,520
of their own they all work Loosely under

1193
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,859
the the international or The

1194
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,599
Intergalactic Federation of sovereign

1195
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:48,480
planets but the way I understand it is

1196
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:51,180
that these these monitoring ships are

1197
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:55,859
basically a man's by only one species so

1198
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,140
that the species that is monitoring the

1199
00:49:02,290 --> 00:49:00,240
Earth they are known as the verdants

1200
00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:02,300
that there may be another

1201
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,380
somewhere out in the Galaxy there may be

1202
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:06,180
another another species being monitored

1203
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:07,260
by

1204
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:11,760
operating Under The Intergalactic

1205
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:15,359
Federation of sovereign planets uh so

1206
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:16,319
um

1207
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:27,109
have also been monitoring and have lived

1208
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,440
here the Earth

1209
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:30,839
I have no knowledge of that there's I

1210
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,040
know there's a lot of information out

1211
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,780
about that I know there's a there's they

1212
00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:35,099
talk about the Grays and people talk

1213
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:37,160
about reptilians and

1214
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,480
Pleiadians or something like that and

1215
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,339
there's there's all kinds of uh but you

1216
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,560
know what this whole field as I said is

1217
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:45,599
Rife with disagreements I mean I turn on

1218
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:48,420
my inner I turn on my uh I get uh I turn

1219
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:51,780
on the um my email and I I check the

1220
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:53,819
internet and I get my mail and I see

1221
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:55,319
that there's there's also a lot of

1222
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:57,060
feuding and fussing going on the people

1223
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,859
calling each other names I mean there's

1224
00:50:02,410 --> 00:50:00,900
there's a lot of there's a lot of uh you

1225
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,420
know animosity

1226
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,339
in your group from from one segment to

1227
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:08,099
the other you know I mean uh you know we

1228
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:10,680
mainstream people have our we have our

1229
00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:12,420
little conflicts but you are you are not

1230
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:15,300
without it either you know uh there's

1231
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:16,859
there is no uniformity of thought or

1232
00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:18,180
Singularity of thought there are some

1233
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:21,000
comedy held beliefs but uh but I can go

1234
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:22,920
around this room right now and I can get

1235
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,900
a Divergence of opinion that that you

1236
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,520
people will never agree on just like the

1237
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:27,839
people of different religions will never

1238
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:30,599
agree upon you know there's a someone

1239
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:43,870
concrete improved the Catholic

1240
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:46,859
well an ashtray and a bath towel no just

1241
00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:48,330
kidding

1242
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:50,540
[Music]

1243
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,180
no none at all in a matter of fact

1244
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,180
um when I appeared in my I appeared up

1245
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:59,700
there in my jockey shirts and I can no I

1246
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:01,079
guess I want to show you I'm I wear

1247
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,440
jockey shorts and I was wearing a I was

1248
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,480
wearing a t-shirt with I think a

1249
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:08,819
Stanford logo a Stanford or a Cornell

1250
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:12,780
logo I think it was a Stanford logo and

1251
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:14,940
um while I was up there they supplied me

1252
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,700
with boxer shorts when I came back I was

1253
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,440
not wearing even their boxer shorts and

1254
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:21,599
I had my own my own t-shirt on and my

1255
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:24,420
own uh my own Jackie shirts on so no I

1256
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:30,470
time that you have

1257
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:31,480
you left her

1258
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,660
[Music]

1259
00:51:36,829 --> 00:51:35,400
could you prove that time you laughed

1260
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:36,839
between the time you were actually there

1261
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,520
and when you came back I could prove it

1262
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,859
to myself I can't I can't prove to

1263
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:42,660
anybody else I don't even remember quite

1264
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:44,940
frankly uh going out and picking up the

1265
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:46,740
newspapers for three days or picking up

1266
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,900
the mail for three days uh I don't

1267
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,760
remember know if I did it or if my wife

1268
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,440
did it

1269
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,440
um uh because I had more important

1270
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:57,119
things in my mind at the time you know I

1271
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:58,260
wasn't concerned too much concerned

1272
00:52:02,890 --> 00:52:01,380
about the mail or the uh or the uh the

1273
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:02,900
newspapers

1274
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,960
uh pardon me pardon me of all questions

1275
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:09,359
uh Phil I'd like to As Long As we've

1276
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,440
turned this into kind of a question

1277
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:12,960
answer thing is we want to get this on

1278
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,059
tape including your questions out there

1279
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,040
so if you would like to ask Phil a

1280
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:19,500
question come on over here where you can

1281
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,059
ask it on the microphone it'll be

1282
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:23,760
recorded on tape otherwise it'll make uh

1283
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:26,460
the video quite boring

1284
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:29,700
um boring but as far as far as the

1285
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:31,380
people in the audience you won't be able

1286
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:36,170
um

1287
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,339
and as long as I'm first in line here

1288
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:40,800
I'm going to take advantage of it

1289
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:45,530
that you didn't really know where you

1290
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,940
stood concerning your own current

1291
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:49,920
beliefs in other words you were either

1292
00:52:57,250 --> 00:52:53,220
atheistic or whatever your religion was

1293
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:57,260
you were now in the current state of uh

1294
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:01,740
flux and and evolution we might take the

1295
00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:03,900
time here to invite you in as kind of a

1296
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,040
mainstream ufologist and uh and uh

1297
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:10,319
you're now an Insider in a sense that

1298
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:14,480
you have have been invited in somehow

1299
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:16,980
and there's a lot of us mainstreamers

1300
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,280
out here uh

1301
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:22,800
one of the questions I wanted to ask was

1302
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,500
did their eyes which appeared to be

1303
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:27,240
slanted did they appear to be kind of

1304
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:30,660
Asian in shape or

1305
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,280
you said they were slanted but yeah they

1306
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,319
were they were they were slanted they

1307
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:37,020
were slanted in other words nuts not you

1308
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,280
know like this they were slightly

1309
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,740
slanted and they were not

1310
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:43,440
uh almond eyes like our like white eyes

1311
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:47,160
they were they were slits so uh in a

1312
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:48,480
sense I mean I don't mean a stereotype

1313
00:53:53,410 --> 00:53:50,579
or anything but uh I guess it would be

1314
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:53,420
somewhat considered somewhat Asian yeah

1315
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:57,480
uh and uh the eyes were not as open as

1316
00:54:02,030 --> 00:53:59,220
our eyes I can't even see the color of

1317
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,040
your eyes from here uh and I I noticed I

1318
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:03,960
did I did see just just kind of dark

1319
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:08,460
eyes some white in the eyes but uh

1320
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:10,500
uh and I didn't want to get too far off

1321
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,420
on that but you described in your book

1322
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:14,280
which I read back in January that you

1323
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,140
were taken on board a craft a much

1324
00:54:22,329 --> 00:54:18,720
larger craft which is on the Dark Side

1325
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:22,339
of the Moon uh which uh in a sense

1326
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:26,520
evades our electronic sensing devices

1327
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:28,920
can you describe that craft for us and

1328
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:31,559
what that might have been like on board

1329
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,400
that craft well the um uh I was taken to

1330
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:37,800
the observation bubble by my tour guide

1331
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:41,579
Gina and uh when we stepped out into

1332
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,280
this observation bubble my knees

1333
00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:46,440
actually buckled because

1334
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,079
um uh it was it was a distant cousin to

1335
00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:52,319
a um to seeing a uh to going to the

1336
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:53,700
Empire State Building and looking down

1337
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,880
upon the city I was looking out into the

1338
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:00,000
vast Cosmos of uh of of this black

1339
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:03,900
velvet with billions of stars uh

1340
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,780
brilliantly shining uh some of them very

1341
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,599
very sharply defined uh some of them

1342
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:12,000
fuzzy which I suspected were in distant

1343
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:13,980
galaxies con consisting of millions or

1344
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:16,140
billions of stars themselves

1345
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,859
um the the ship seemed to uh at first I

1346
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,900
thought my God the ship spreads out for

1347
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:23,280
a mile

1348
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:25,980
um you know in in all directions it was

1349
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:29,460
it was um it was disc shaped

1350
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:30,180
um

1351
00:55:35,569 --> 00:55:32,520
thinner at the thinner at the edges I

1352
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:35,579
think about uh 200 feet to about 16 16

1353
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:38,099
decks came up uh to the to the center

1354
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:41,220
where there were about 3 000 feet uh in

1355
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,099
the center uh and uh 200 and some decks

1356
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:46,500
there I think if I recall the details of

1357
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:49,559
that uh there were there were structures

1358
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,980
on the on the it was this shape but

1359
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,680
there were structures I saw I saw

1360
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,720
um shuttle shuttle craft moving in and

1361
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:59,760
out of shuttle doors and things like

1362
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:01,020
that and there were other structures

1363
00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:02,819
that I have no idea what they were so it

1364
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:06,180
was not smooth uh there were there were

1365
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,700
blocks and there were domes and there

1366
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:10,440
was you know things like that built on

1367
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,140
the surface of the ship and it and as it

1368
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,880
turned out I was told that the ship was

1369
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:17,339
actually uh three quarters of a mile in

1370
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,660
radius I was looking at three quarters

1371
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,160
of models of a mile which would make it

1372
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:23,040
a mile and a half in diameter

1373
00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:28,250
next

1374
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:30,660
uh to get back to their appearance for a

1375
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,760
moment um you said they were uh had name

1376
00:56:37,549 --> 00:56:36,000
tags yes I wonder if you could um

1377
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,559
explain a little bit about what their

1378
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:39,599
clothing was like and you got to

1379
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,420
actually wear some of their clothing and

1380
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:45,359
it was the material seem to be cotton or

1381
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:47,880
wool or something well I'm not I'm not a

1382
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,140
fashion plate I don't even know what I'm

1383
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,660
wearing here you know but uh uh whether

1384
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:53,640
it's rayon or cotton or whatever my wife

1385
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:55,980
could tell you but it was a it was a

1386
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:57,300
kind of a robe like garment it was

1387
00:57:00,410 --> 00:56:58,319
something that I would expect to see

1388
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:00,420
Charles Lawton in playing a Roman

1389
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,700
senator in an old movie

1390
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,520
um it was a it was uh I I I I don't know

1391
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:07,440
I'm not a fashion plate as I say to me

1392
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,300
it was a to me it was a real Brethren

1393
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:11,760
the Gown or a tunic or something like

1394
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,220
that it had kind of a it had kind of a

1395
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:16,440
flap that you just kind of you know like

1396
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,700
that and fastened it came to came to oh

1397
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:22,680
down a little bit below the elbows a

1398
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:25,260
little bit below the knees pastel colors

1399
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:26,940
very everything everything on the ship

1400
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:28,680
but a lot of a lot of the colors in the

1401
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:34,849
hi

1402
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,980
um I wanted to ask you if I haven't read

1403
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:39,420
your book yet and I do want to read it

1404
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,980
but a lot of what you're saying sounds

1405
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:43,680
very familiar to me not specifically me

1406
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,619
but other things I've read and and

1407
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:48,720
you know I'm not surprised at what

1408
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:50,220
you're saying at all

1409
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,619
um and including how they look just if

1410
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:54,780
that's comforting to you in any way but

1411
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:58,680
I wanted to ask about your experience

1412
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:01,380
um did you did you fluctuate emotionally

1413
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,020
did you have any kind of first reaction

1414
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:06,240
that was changed were you aware of any

1415
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:09,480
deception or messing with your emotional

1416
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:11,880
reactions to things do these beings feel

1417
00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:15,480
loving or neutral or how are your

1418
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:17,099
emotions affected

1419
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:19,020
um I was very calm during the whole

1420
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:21,420
thing and I was I learned later that the

1421
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,980
the beam of light itself had a calming

1422
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,960
effect upon me because I felt when I

1423
00:58:29,089 --> 00:58:26,400
first went up there that the normal

1424
00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:29,099
human reaction for an outsider from a

1425
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:30,900
person like myself an Armenian reaction

1426
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:33,180
would be to to scream out an abject

1427
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:35,579
Terror and to maybe even go over the

1428
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,760
abyss of insanity now if there are any

1429
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:42,000
very very hardcore Believers here uh

1430
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:43,260
your reaction may have been quite

1431
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:44,700
different because

1432
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:47,700
um uh you may have you know you may have

1433
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:49,619
just clasped your hands and said oh

1434
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:51,420
thank God it's my turn I'm finally

1435
00:58:55,849 --> 00:58:53,220
getting a chance to you know to get here

1436
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,859
you know uh this is this is wonderful to

1437
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:57,780
me to me it should have been it should

1438
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:58,859
have been frightening I should have had

1439
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,339
a heart attack uh but I was very calm I

1440
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:05,280
wasn't drugged I wasn't High I simply

1441
00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:07,559
had a lack of anxiety sort of like when

1442
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:08,760
they're Wheeling you into the operating

1443
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:11,700
room of the Pumped you full of uh uh uh

1444
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:15,660
what are they puppies yeah yeah where

1445
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:17,880
you just you know you're not hiring a

1446
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:19,500
thing you just don't have any anxiety

1447
00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:21,420
and that's the way I felt and I felt

1448
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,059
that uh I had been altered somewhat

1449
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:27,119
um emotionally I was quite stable

1450
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:28,260
throughout the whole thing there were

1451
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:30,180
periods of emotion

1452
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:32,700
uh it was difficult to discern emotion

1453
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,599
uh in them because it took quite a bit

1454
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,640
of exposure to them and I finally did

1455
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,160
learn to see the very very subtle

1456
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,440
muscular changes that that that

1457
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,020
represented emotion for them uh but

1458
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:48,240
they're very very low key I find them to

1459
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:52,260
be the most compassionate moral ethical

1460
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:57,240
honest uh trustworthy uh individuals

1461
01:00:02,450 --> 00:59:59,880
that I could ever imagine I saw I saw

1462
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:02,460
nothing nothing about them that uh that

1463
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,140
I could consider that I could consider

1464
01:00:07,930 --> 01:00:06,000
negative people have asked me could you

1465
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:07,940
have been deceived are you being

1466
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:11,700
manipulated uh my sensory all I can do

1467
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,799
is give you my sensory Impressions no

1468
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:16,079
however I have to keep my mind open yes

1469
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:17,339
of course

1470
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,299
Sinister force that is going to that is

1471
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:23,819
is using me to soften you people up and

1472
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:25,980
who's going to then uh in the near

1473
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,440
future come down and wipe us all out I

1474
01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:30,240
mean I can't I can't do that I can't

1475
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:32,819
deny that that's that's a scenario but I

1476
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:35,220
have no reason to believe that all I can

1477
01:00:38,270 --> 01:00:36,540
do is give you my own sensory

1478
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,280
Impressions my own sensory Impressions

1479
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:40,500
is I trust these people I believe these

1480
01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:41,160
people

1481
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:42,540
thanks

1482
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:45,900
hi Phil hi did these beings give you any

1483
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:47,819
indication of what the Earth would be

1484
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:50,520
like maybe in 20 50 or 100 years down

1485
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:53,220
the road they did not make any

1486
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,020
pert say that the based upon their

1487
01:00:59,470 --> 01:00:57,420
experiences they they laid out some

1488
01:01:02,809 --> 01:00:59,480
scenarios that we could expect

1489
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:02,819
if all goes according to the general

1490
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:05,400
timetable if all goes according to plan

1491
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,260
uh there were no there were no

1492
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:09,599
predictions and by the way I should

1493
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,579
mention that that we are being accepted

1494
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:13,740
into this this Federation with

1495
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,140
reservations because they're very very

1496
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:18,780
concerned about the dark side of the

1497
01:01:23,569 --> 01:01:20,700
human character they do not want this

1498
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:23,579
dark side in space they want to make

1499
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:26,040
sure that that mankind itself pleases

1500
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:27,660
itself I asked him I said well you're

1501
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:28,980
gonna you are you going to be the bosses

1502
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:31,380
need to determine who's no this is a

1503
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:32,579
sovereign Planet they don't interfere

1504
01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:34,980
with that but they expect they expect

1505
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:38,099
humans themselves to the the 80 percent

1506
01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:40,140
of the human of the everyday decent

1507
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,599
human uh you know everyday decent people

1508
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,839
uh to take control of this 20 of people

1509
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:47,040
who are causing the Mischief in the

1510
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,900
world the the white collar criminals the

1511
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,119
the street thugs the the leaders of

1512
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:54,240
Rogue Nations the people who who are

1513
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:56,220
responsible for the the genocides and

1514
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:58,619
the holocausts and and the uh you know

1515
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:00,540
all the Mischief all the Mischief in the

1516
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:03,900
world uh they expect us to get to uh to

1517
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,740
get control of that and uh and if uh if

1518
01:02:12,049 --> 01:02:10,559
uh if we don't why I'm I'm very

1519
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:12,059
concerned about what they might think

1520
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:14,700
about the um the explosion of the

1521
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:18,119
Pakistani and Indian nuclear devices I'm

1522
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,559
very concerned about that and then I saw

1523
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,180
in the paper that the the North Koreans

1524
01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:23,520
may have 15 000 people working on on

1525
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:26,339
nuclear devices you know this is this to

1526
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,960
me is disturbing

1527
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:30,480
um these people value character

1528
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:32,280
um

1529
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:39,839
with them telepathically because I've

1530
01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:42,299
had no further contact with them and I I

1531
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:44,579
you know I you gotta remember who you're

1532
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:46,020
talking to I'm you're talking about a

1533
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:47,940
mainstream guy here who just you know

1534
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:48,900
doesn't

1535
01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:52,020
um you know I I I I I don't know

1536
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,640
anything about telepathy but I'll tell

1537
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,280
you the truth um I'm going to I'm going

1538
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,599
to feel awful silly about it but one of

1539
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,040
these days I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

1540
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:01,380
try to to try to do that and I'm going

1541
01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:03,059
to feel awful silly about it but uh but

1542
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:05,040
maybe maybe I'll get a message back I

1543
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,789
hello I actually have two questions for

1544
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:11,940
you

1545
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:12,660
um

1546
01:03:18,349 --> 01:03:16,140
if they wanted you to write this book

1547
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:18,359
and you've written it

1548
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:20,040
um now what do you have any further

1549
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:21,660
plans

1550
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:23,880
I'm just waiting like everybody else I

1551
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,740
have had no further contact

1552
01:03:29,569 --> 01:03:27,900
um it's as far as I'm concerned my job

1553
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:29,579
is done I might even be out of the loop

1554
01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:31,319
I don't know so this is technically the

1555
01:03:35,150 --> 01:03:32,460
white sheet that you were supposed to

1556
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:35,160
write this is this this is this is the

1557
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,660
white paper although it's basically in

1558
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,400
the form of a diary but the information

1559
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,280
they wanted me to uh to uh to to present

1560
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:43,440
is is included in here so I feel I've

1561
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:45,780
done my job okay and then secondly um

1562
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:47,400
could you give us some of the names of

1563
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:49,140
some of the ambassadors could I give you

1564
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,780
some of the names of the ambassadors

1565
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,520
um

1566
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,440
I'll tell you what when what when Bob

1567
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,900
Woodward tells us who deep throat is I

1568
01:04:02,750 --> 01:03:59,940
might consider it but uh

1569
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:02,760
but no I'll tell you something

1570
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:03,839
um

1571
01:04:08,089 --> 01:04:05,819
two things I can't talk about

1572
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:08,099
two things I cannot expand upon that are

1573
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,720
in the book because something has

1574
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:11,520
happened since I've come back something

1575
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:18,230
um I mentioned in there a person from

1576
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:21,540
the Los Angeles Times who is also an

1577
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,799
ambassador

1578
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:25,440
and that this um that I mentioned in

1579
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,049
um I cannot mention who that person is

1580
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:34,799
I cannot give you any other information

1581
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:38,460
about that about that person or about

1582
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:40,680
that contact all I can do is tell you

1583
01:04:43,970 --> 01:04:42,180
what's in the book

1584
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,980
it will stay in the book

1585
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:45,359
it's not going to be taken out it's not

1586
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,440
going to be censored it's part of the

1587
01:04:50,410 --> 01:04:47,760
public record but I can't talk about

1588
01:04:56,530 --> 01:04:50,420
that I can't talk I cannot talk about

1589
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:56,540
the roster of ambassadors that I saw

1590
01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:58,920
uh because again something has happened

1591
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:01,980
and I cannot mention I cannot give any

1592
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:03,780
additional information except what's in

1593
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:05,400
the book if you want to ask me what's in

1594
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:06,480
the book I can tell you exactly what's

1595
01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:12,890
thank you uh the question is what

1596
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:17,270
that's the natural follow-up question I

1597
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:25,549
do I know I do know I do know what

1598
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:27,059
happened

1599
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:30,960
come a time when I will be able to say

1600
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,280
what happened

1601
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:34,799
but something has happened and on these

1602
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:36,540
two subjects

1603
01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:39,960
I I I I'm very

1604
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:48,130
well

1605
01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:50,390
it's um

1606
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,160
it's it's it's uncomfortable

1607
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:54,720
um I'm not I'm not being quite or

1608
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:57,180
evasive I just I just can't answer your

1609
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:59,400
questions I cannot expand upon those two

1610
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:00,960
areas I'll I'll tell you what's in the

1611
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,059
book but I can't expand upon them

1612
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:05,760
next question good evening your

1613
01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:07,319
experience is is tremendously

1614
01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:09,240
fascinating and for me personally I'm

1615
01:06:13,849 --> 01:06:11,180
also very much in the mainstream

1616
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:13,859
extremely so and I have to be very

1617
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,140
careful about anybody that I've even let

1618
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:18,480
know I'm interested in in this material

1619
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,000
but maybe you could clear up something

1620
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,520
that has bothered me for years and years

1621
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,680
both for my own personal experiences

1622
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:27,599
from everything I've read

1623
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:33,660
if these beings are so interested in

1624
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:37,200
their compassion and their willingness

1625
01:06:44,109 --> 01:06:41,280
to allow only people who only beings and

1626
01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:44,119
only civilizations to enter into their

1627
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:47,420
Federation who are non-threatening

1628
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:50,819
non-hostile and respect other the other

1629
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:54,480
the space of other beings as you say

1630
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:57,960
then how can it be explained that they

1631
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,539
have no compunction to go into people's

1632
01:07:06,410 --> 01:07:03,839
homes without permission and take them

1633
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:06,420
from their beds and their families

1634
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,780
that to me is the greatest invasion of

1635
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:12,480
space and tremendously hostile and it

1636
01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:14,520
there's no way that I've ever been able

1637
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,160
to Define that as a spiritual

1638
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:19,740
compassionate being a very good question

1639
01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:21,420
and I I wrestled with this myself

1640
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:23,940
because I said to myself

1641
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:28,619
um I I I the the morality and the ethics

1642
01:07:35,809 --> 01:07:33,720
of it bothered me and I thought but

1643
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:35,819
I wondered it

1644
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:39,180
I thought that it was it had to be done

1645
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,220
it was expedient so I was I was willing

1646
01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:44,640
to excuse it on that basis and also the

1647
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:46,020
fact that

1648
01:07:48,829 --> 01:07:46,740
um

1649
01:07:51,410 --> 01:07:48,839
you know if it's absolutely necessary

1650
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:51,420
then it's necessary then that that goes

1651
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,859
to the ends justifies the means I'm not

1652
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:54,720
sure I can buy that but but the the the

1653
01:08:00,049 --> 01:07:57,839
the the the spiritual well spiritual for

1654
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,059
me is you know uh it's not spiritual the

1655
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:02,640
moral and ethical uh considerations did

1656
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:04,260
bother me quite a bit

1657
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,260
and um then I I thought well it's

1658
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:09,599
expedient and no one's being hurt and

1659
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,859
they assure me that no one has ever been

1660
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,200
hurt and also most of these people are

1661
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,720
taken in their sleep taken when they're

1662
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:18,719
taken uh for several minutes to several

1663
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:21,660
hours at a time and returned uh unharmed

1664
01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,480
one time and so I thought of an analogy

1665
01:08:28,249 --> 01:08:26,339
one time I walked out of the Times

1666
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,259
building it was late at night I come

1667
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:30,960
across um I was coming across Spring

1668
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:33,660
Street at at Second Street and I had the

1669
01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:36,420
light with me a Spring Street is one way

1670
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:39,540
uh a southbound although there is a

1671
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:41,699
northbound bus lane as I as I come

1672
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,040
across the street it's dark I

1673
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,799
practically stumble upon this bum lying

1674
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:48,900
in the uh lying in the bus lane he's

1675
01:08:52,910 --> 01:08:50,580
lying right in the bus lane he hits he's

1676
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,920
he's he's out he's he's a he smells of

1677
01:08:57,769 --> 01:08:53,839
alcohol

1678
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,779
it's near skid row and he has um he's

1679
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:59,040
cracked his head open

1680
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,560
and he's semi-conscious uh because when

1681
01:09:05,570 --> 01:09:03,359
when I picked him up he kind of just

1682
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,580
kind of looked up at me you know days

1683
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:07,199
um but I knew I had to get him out of

1684
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:09,239
the bus lane because there was a bus

1685
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:10,920
coming up the street now the bus could

1686
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,859
not see him because it's dark the bus

1687
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,540
could see me because I'm standing up and

1688
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:17,040
I hold my hand up

1689
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:18,779
and of course typical bus driver you

1690
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:20,219
know you think he'd put on his brakes no

1691
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,199
he just swerved around you know go

1692
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,000
across go across a double lane he got to

1693
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:25,440
put my hand up here you know but if I

1694
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,420
had not picked that guy up and moved him

1695
01:09:32,749 --> 01:09:29,759
up onto the sidewalk and he was he was

1696
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,759
unconscious or semi-conscious he would

1697
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:34,920
have been run over and killed

1698
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:37,140
okay

1699
01:09:41,390 --> 01:09:39,000
I abducted him

1700
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:41,400
I took him against his will

1701
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:43,799
I moved into another place he never gave

1702
01:09:48,130 --> 01:09:46,140
me permission he was asleep he was

1703
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:48,140
actually drunk out of his mind

1704
01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:50,580
and he had fallen down cracked his head

1705
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:52,859
and he was bleeding if I had not

1706
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,780
abducted him if I had not moved him if I

1707
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,120
had not taken him against his will

1708
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,640
he would have died

1709
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,130
I'm not sure that I'm not sure that will

1710
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:06,719
that can't explain it but

1711
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:09,000
it does it for me it may not do it for

1712
01:10:13,689 --> 01:10:10,140
everybody else but it does it for me

1713
01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:16,490
good evening that question was one of

1714
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,300
mine also

1715
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:20,159
um I have some very simple questions one

1716
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,199
how did they feed you was it what kind

1717
01:10:26,689 --> 01:10:24,960
of food were there children on board and

1718
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,699
can your wife verify that you were

1719
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:29,040
absent from her presence for 72 straight

1720
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,780
hours

1721
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,640
number one

1722
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:34,860
um I saw I don't remember seeing any

1723
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:37,260
children uh I might I may have seen some

1724
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,000
I don't remember

1725
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:42,840
number two uh I had some of the most

1726
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:45,600
delicious fascinating food I'd ever had

1727
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,600
in my life I I passed up on the meat and

1728
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,640
I passed up on the desserts because I

1729
01:10:54,110 --> 01:10:52,320
just taken off my 55 pounds and I didn't

1730
01:10:56,090 --> 01:10:54,120
want to put it back on again and also I

1731
01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:56,100
don't eat much meat however it was

1732
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:59,340
explained to me that that they grow

1733
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:01,020
their food because I asked them about it

1734
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:03,060
I said is there is there a supermarket

1735
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:04,080
in the neighborhood I don't know about

1736
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:05,880
you know I think it's kind of scratched

1737
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:06,900
their head and looked at me you know and

1738
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:09,480
I said I'm you know just kidding where

1739
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:10,320
do you get this where do you get the

1740
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:13,020
stuff it's hydronically grown plant

1741
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,199
matter and it's processed and um and

1742
01:11:20,689 --> 01:11:18,360
they they made out of it some of the

1743
01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:20,699
most delicious meals I've ever had it

1744
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:22,260
was just it was it was just it was

1745
01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:24,060
tailored for me and it was plant

1746
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,620
material and when I found out that the

1747
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,120
meat was plant material I even had some

1748
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:29,040
of that and I even had some of the the

1749
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,840
desserts when I found out that I could

1750
01:11:34,209 --> 01:11:32,460
eat as much as my appetite would allow

1751
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:34,219
without

1752
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,760
uh and my metabolism my metabolism

1753
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,280
metabolism would use only what it needed

1754
01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:43,739
and would discard the rest how lovely

1755
01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:44,940
and I wouldn't I wouldn't gain any

1756
01:11:49,970 --> 01:11:46,020
weight

1757
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,980
I'd like some of that food and uh and

1758
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,540
what was the third question can your

1759
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:54,060
wife verify that you were absent 72

1760
01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:56,820
continuous hours okay my wife was my

1761
01:12:01,370 --> 01:11:57,719
wife

1762
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:01,380
um was was staying about three miles

1763
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:03,480
away with her mother at the time her

1764
01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:06,540
mother had some serious surgery uh I I

1765
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:09,300
it as some people suggested this was

1766
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:11,340
planned I think it was just coincidental

1767
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,659
it just happened to be coincidental

1768
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,360
because they do um

1769
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:18,000
like she's leaving she's leaving Friday

1770
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:20,760
for for Mexico so she she takes off

1771
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,060
periodically uh and uh I don't go to

1772
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:26,159
Mexico so she never called you during

1773
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:27,780
those three hours pardon me she never

1774
01:12:33,169 --> 01:12:30,840
called you during those 72 hours yes she

1775
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:33,179
did call yes she did call uh there was

1776
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,980
there was uh answering there was a

1777
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,199
messages on on the tape machine but see

1778
01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:39,120
I had also been going around to small

1779
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:40,980
towns in California looking for a

1780
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,600
retirement site I just come back from a

1781
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:45,360
from a trip and uh and I said I told her

1782
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:46,860
before she went over there I said you

1783
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:47,699
know I think I'm going to head up for

1784
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:49,800
the Monterey Bay Area and see what's see

1785
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,500
what's going on up there and uh and uh

1786
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,960
so uh she she wouldn't necessarily miss

1787
01:12:59,630 --> 01:12:58,080
me and um I'm not sure she would miss me

1788
01:13:01,729 --> 01:12:59,640
anyway but thank you

1789
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:01,739
uh even though I took off for a couple

1790
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:08,590
I guess I've answered the question

1791
01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:12,600
I like to ask three questions uh did

1792
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:14,699
they take you to other planets in the

1793
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:17,460
solar system no how far did they take

1794
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:19,980
you in space and did you go to any other

1795
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:23,880
star systems in those 72 hours no I was

1796
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:25,679
on I was on board the uh the Mother Ship

1797
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:27,780
or I was on board the the Starship

1798
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:29,699
behind the moon for the for the full

1799
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:33,120
period oh so you didn't go to the Mars

1800
01:13:38,110 --> 01:13:35,640
Venus or Mercury did no did no traveling

1801
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:38,120
whatsoever well

1802
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:40,980
the solar system pardon me what about

1803
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:43,440
beyond the solar system no I I never

1804
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,140
went anywhere I went to the moon thank

1805
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:48,360
you I think that's you know that's

1806
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:56,410
I understand that's a pretty good trip

1807
01:13:56,420 --> 01:14:02,630
thank you you're welcome

1808
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:05,930
are you familiar with the name uh Dwayne

1809
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,699
Johnson oh Dwayne Johnson of course yes

1810
01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:10,320
I believe he was a teacher of yours

1811
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:13,020
correct yes he was all right because I I

1812
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:14,820
believe he wrote well I know for a fact

1813
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:17,159
he wrote this thesis on flying saucers

1814
01:14:21,890 --> 01:14:19,320
yes he did a matter of fact I ran across

1815
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:21,900
it in Laughlin Nevada yes and uh and I

1816
01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:24,300
said Dwayne Johnson I says uh you know

1817
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:25,080
um

1818
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,940
I saw the manuscript and uh the person

1819
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,920
who um did I talk to you I'm off in

1820
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:33,840
Nevada well I'm friends with the guy who

1821
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:36,960
who did the book I see yeah I was there

1822
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:39,659
as well yeah okay uh Dwayne Johnson and

1823
01:14:43,370 --> 01:14:40,920
then Dwayne Johnson worked at Los

1824
01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:43,380
Angeles Times for many years and um he

1825
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:45,239
and I worked on the same desk on on many

1826
01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:47,219
occasions uh he was my journalist and

1827
01:14:52,729 --> 01:14:49,620
Professor I've known him since 1961 and

1828
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:52,739
he did his his uh his doctoral uh

1829
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:57,060
dissertation on on UFOs and I think we

1830
01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:58,620
may have seen I think we students may

1831
01:15:03,410 --> 01:15:01,620
have seen the uh the manuscript you know

1832
01:15:04,729 --> 01:15:03,420
it never entered in my mind and all that

1833
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,739
time when I was working at the times

1834
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:06,239
that anybody might have believed in

1835
01:15:10,729 --> 01:15:08,699
flying saucers I never thought of Duane

1836
01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:10,739
um because I simply forgot I mean we

1837
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:13,320
kind of you know uh I looked at our

1838
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,940
noses that this is a doctoral

1839
01:15:18,770 --> 01:15:17,280
dissertation you know on flying saucers

1840
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:18,780
I mean you know how wacko can you get

1841
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,760
you know and I never really thought

1842
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:22,440
about it and then I saw the book uh

1843
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,300
flying sauces over Los Angeles by Dwayne

1844
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,679
Johnson said hey wait a minute I said I

1845
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,840
know this guy you know yeah and uh and

1846
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,239
yeah well yeah my main question was so

1847
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:33,120
you didn't really have any positive

1848
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,300
opinion of UFOs from Dwayne Johnson oh

1849
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,120
no not at all um a matter of fact I

1850
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:41,280
forgot all about his after I got out of

1851
01:15:46,610 --> 01:15:44,520
college that was in 63. uh I forgot I

1852
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,620
even forgot that he had wrote that he

1853
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:49,440
had written his dissertation on um

1854
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,679
on UFOs and when when we found out about

1855
01:15:56,209 --> 01:15:54,000
it in college when we were talking

1856
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,219
informally in the classroom uh he he

1857
01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:58,080
mentioned that and we call kind of

1858
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:59,340
looked at each other you know and

1859
01:16:02,990 --> 01:16:01,140
sneered a little bit you know and

1860
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:03,000
sniffed you know what what kind of a

1861
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:05,219
what kind of a uh you know a rinky dink

1862
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,340
dissertation is that you know so but uh

1863
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,520
but somebody yeah somebody got hold of a

1864
01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:13,440
copy of it at the through the UCLA

1865
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:15,960
archives and and published it and it's

1866
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,540
called uh um uh flying sauces over Los

1867
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:19,920
Angeles in the 50s I think something

1868
01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:22,080
like that yes thank you very much and by

1869
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:23,460
the way Doc Johnson I'm pretty sure

1870
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:33,590
um I know I've promoted your book over

1871
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:35,640
the past few months but I wanted good

1872
01:16:40,130 --> 01:16:37,800
for you let everybody know tonight that

1873
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:40,140
uh his book is available in the back of

1874
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:41,940
the room and it's it's an excellent read

1875
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,340
as an editor he did a beautiful job of

1876
01:16:48,169 --> 01:16:46,560
writing it so I just wanted to also say

1877
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:48,179
that

1878
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,219
upon in the past and with other speakers

1879
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:56,159
is character and you mentioned human

1880
01:17:00,350 --> 01:16:58,020
character this evening

1881
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:00,360
there's a couple of different things in

1882
01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:03,480
your book that that would lead

1883
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:05,699
someone to believe uh you know someone

1884
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:07,860
to go down the road of belief in the

1885
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:09,540
religious stuff and I know it's a tough

1886
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:12,179
uh a tough area to cover

1887
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:15,480
but in the book you talked about how the

1888
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:16,500
verdants

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01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:19,440
had come across an area and space that

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01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:21,000
they considered to be the Gates of

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01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:22,440
Heaven probably one of the most

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01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:25,140
fascinating parts and aspects of your

1893
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:29,159
book an area of Discovery for them which

1894
01:17:35,630 --> 01:17:32,940
was rather startling and if you could

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01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,640
just elaborate on that a little bit that

1896
01:17:40,669 --> 01:17:37,679
might be interesting and touch a little

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01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:40,679
bit more on human character and what you

1898
01:17:44,770 --> 01:17:43,020
might be finding with regard to that in

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01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:44,780
your own

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01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:48,120
six-month Odyssey through this thing you

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01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:49,380
know what what you're running into there

1902
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,000
okay the religious the religious

1903
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:53,760
supportion of the book uh again I I um I

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01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:55,860
I I hesitated about putting it in there

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01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:57,420
because I know it's very controversial I

1906
01:18:02,209 --> 01:18:00,239
I myself being an atheist or agnostic

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01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,219
um it doesn't mean anything to me but I

1908
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:04,080
know that 95 of the people in the world

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01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:06,540
uh take their religion pretty seriously

1910
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:08,520
most of them and

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01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:10,260
um and it's a very very emotional

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01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,820
subject

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01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:12,960
um

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01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:15,540
in retrospect and I don't know why I

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01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:16,560
didn't think of this while I was writing

1916
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:19,199
it but I wrote it down literally

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01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,440
in retrospect I think that much of the

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01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:25,199
material in the in that in that chapter

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01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,140
may be allegorical maybe this is my this

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01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:30,000
is my guess I think they're trying to

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01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,000
reveal to me basic fundamental religious

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01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:35,040
truths in terms that I could understand

1923
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:36,840
remember I have no religious background

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01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:38,820
no religious training nothing my father

1925
01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:42,060
was I was raised in a wasp community and

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01:18:46,910 --> 01:18:44,100
if I observed anything any kind of

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01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,920
religious uh information at all it would

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01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:48,480
be from that from that particular

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01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:50,520
culture the WASP culture my dad was a

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01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,500
presbyterian that's white angle Saxon

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01:18:56,810 --> 01:18:55,440
Protestant so I'm familiar with with the

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01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:56,820
Pearly Gates and I'm familiar with

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01:19:00,410 --> 01:18:58,380
heaven and I'm familiar with hell and

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01:19:04,570 --> 01:19:00,420
I'm familiar with the with the immortal

1935
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:04,580
soul and uh but uh but when it comes to

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01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:08,159
discussing really religious philosophy

1937
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:11,400
I'm a Sunday school student in a room

1938
01:19:16,729 --> 01:19:14,280
full of divinity students you know in in

1939
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,739
in in in college

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01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:18,239
so

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01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,520
um I suspect that

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01:19:26,030 --> 01:19:23,760
a lot of the material they revealed to

1943
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:26,040
me they revealed in terms that I could

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01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:28,260
understand and I think they're trying to

1945
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,140
reveal basic religious truths but I'm

1946
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:32,880
not sure that I would literally

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01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:35,340
interpret every word literally word for

1948
01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:38,040
word uh in in that there have been

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01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:40,920
people who have also tried to use the

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01:19:44,930 --> 01:19:43,500
information that information to validate

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01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:44,940
their religion over other people's

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01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:46,920
religions well there's no way I'm going

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01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:48,300
to get involved in that some people try

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01:19:51,649 --> 01:19:50,280
to recruit me to you know the well this

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01:19:53,209 --> 01:19:51,659
is our religion believes that this is

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01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:53,219
this that goes along exactly with what

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01:19:56,689 --> 01:19:54,540
our religion you know we would like you

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01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,699
to speak before us I said no way no way

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01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,560
I can't be a mouthpiece for one religion

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01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:00,480
uh and I don't think that's what the the

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01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:02,340
purpose was this is a very very

1962
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:03,960
controversial subject and it's difficult

1963
01:20:07,070 --> 01:20:05,820
for me to it's troubling for me to talk

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01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:07,080
about

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01:20:11,630 --> 01:20:10,260
um and uh so but I would not read

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01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:11,640
anything into that they have great

1967
01:20:16,669 --> 01:20:14,159
respect for for religion they have great

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01:20:20,209 --> 01:20:16,679
respect for all all people's religions

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01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:20,219
as long as as long as the you know they

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01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:22,980
teach fellowship and love I suppose

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01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,560
uh just touch upon that uh encounter

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01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:27,120
that they had with the Gates of Heaven

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01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,860
that was fairly fascinating for those

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01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:30,960
who didn't read it in the book you said

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01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:33,300
the verdants came across an area in

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01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:35,699
space okay the story the story is that

1977
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:38,460
we were the Gina and I were discussing

1978
01:20:41,930 --> 01:20:40,140
um we're discussing so many things to

1979
01:20:43,970 --> 01:20:41,940
see and I said it's not fair I said that

1980
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,980
you know that I've lived most of my life

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01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:46,320
for 62 years and you're only 800 years

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01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:48,600
old you know you've got uh you've got uh

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01:20:52,490 --> 01:20:50,699
by the way I I forget to mention that

1984
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:52,500
their lifespan is twenty thousand uh

1985
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,659
twenty thousand Earth years which would

1986
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:56,400
be what you would amount to about seven

1987
01:20:59,810 --> 01:20:58,020
or eight thousand of their years since

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01:21:02,990 --> 01:20:59,820
their planet is is larger and it takes

1989
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:03,000
55 hours to to turn on its axis

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01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:03,600
um

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01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,880
but they they have they have extended

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01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:07,440
life over millions of years they kept

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01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,400
pushing and pushing and pushing the

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01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:09,840
boundaries until they think that they've

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01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:11,580
hit the absolute limit uh there's no

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01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:13,140
there's no there's no farther they can

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01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:14,580
go with that

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01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:17,400
um but um oh I was talking it's not very

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01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:19,260
since I'm 62 years old my most of my

2000
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:20,760
life has spent a year of America eight

2001
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:23,100
year an 800 year old baby you know and

2002
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:24,780
uh she says well on the on the temporal

2003
01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:26,460
plane she says it really doesn't it

2004
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:28,620
really doesn't matter that much and uh

2005
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:30,840
and she's and I I on the transitory

2006
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,920
level I said well what are you talking

2007
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:34,080
about she says well our lifespans are

2008
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,840
the same uh you know

2009
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,080
um uh beyond the TR beyond the uh the um

2010
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:42,480
the transitory level the temporal level

2011
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,060
our lifespans are the same I says what

2012
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,560
are you you know I mean she's talking to

2013
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:48,000
an atheist here you know I said well

2014
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:50,040
what are you talking about and she says

2015
01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:53,280
well our Immortals are Immortal soul

2016
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:55,500
that has quit spinning our Immortal

2017
01:22:02,030 --> 01:21:59,100
Souls and that's done that stunned me

2018
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:02,040
and I said do you believe in an immortal

2019
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:03,960
soul and she says our scientists have

2020
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:06,080
proven the existence of an immortal soul

2021
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:09,480
and then uh you know I went into kind of

2022
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:12,840
a a swoon you know I've got the vapors

2023
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,900
and uh

2024
01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:17,520
I guess that's what the ladies got in

2025
01:22:21,709 --> 01:22:19,860
the old days they got the vapors and um

2026
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:21,719
and they called in the you know they

2027
01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:23,940
called in the a minister and and he uh

2028
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,500
he ministered to me and they explained

2029
01:22:29,450 --> 01:22:27,540
to me that uh now this is a story they

2030
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,460
told me and I wrote it down literally

2031
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:31,920
and again I think it's allegorical I

2032
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:33,960
think it's a I think it's a a story that

2033
01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:35,699
should not be taken literally I think

2034
01:22:40,669 --> 01:22:38,040
it's subject to interpretation I don't

2035
01:22:42,169 --> 01:22:40,679
know I'm just guessing but I suspect so

2036
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:42,179
um they said that there that one of

2037
01:22:46,189 --> 01:22:44,820
their ships came across the um the

2038
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:46,199
actual location of Heaven in the

2039
01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:48,600
universe and that uh they they summoned

2040
01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:50,699
their uh their Supreme Theologian their

2041
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:52,860
Supreme Theologian was beamed aboard

2042
01:22:57,530 --> 01:22:55,080
came aboard meditated went into

2043
01:22:59,930 --> 01:22:57,540
meditation and then went out and

2044
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:59,940
actually went out an airlock and entered

2045
01:23:04,729 --> 01:23:02,100
one of the uh the the 12 gates of Pearl

2046
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:04,739
and spent something like uh eight days

2047
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,500
and uh and then came out and he came

2048
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:09,600
aboard and he asked to address the crew

2049
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:10,920
and everybody gathered around the

2050
01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:13,980
loudspeakers and um and he said one word

2051
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:17,460
rejoice and they shipped and just was

2052
01:23:22,669 --> 01:23:21,060
freed and and it took off and then he he

2053
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,679
beamed out

2054
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:25,199
and uh and this and so I looked at this

2055
01:23:29,689 --> 01:23:27,900
Minister he looked at me and I said

2056
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:29,699
and he said well that's the end of the

2057
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:33,179
story so well what the hell happened

2058
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:34,440
no I didn't see what the hell happened

2059
01:23:38,630 --> 01:23:36,780
that was just kind of I said well what

2060
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,640
happened in the inside there you know

2061
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:40,800
and he said what he said a father and

2062
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:43,620
son a father and son had a talk

2063
01:23:47,209 --> 01:23:46,320
and and I said wait a minute wait a

2064
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,219
minute I don't know anything about

2065
01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:49,520
religion but the way I understand it

2066
01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:52,440
souls go to heaven Spirits go to heaven

2067
01:23:56,570 --> 01:23:54,659
but mortal Souls don't go to heaven even

2068
01:23:57,530 --> 01:23:56,580
though I don't believe it anyway

2069
01:24:00,530 --> 01:23:57,540
um

2070
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:00,540
and uh he said well with with with the

2071
01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:03,060
father or anything is possible and uh

2072
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:05,340
again I think a lot of that may be

2073
01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:07,739
allegorical but I don't know it could be

2074
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:13,130
um I have

2075
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:14,340
I have your questions

2076
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:16,380
the first one you may not be able to

2077
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:17,760
answer but

2078
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:19,800
I can answer anything even if I say

2079
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:26,750
because

2080
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:28,260
grown-ups probably would understand

2081
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:31,140
alien life more than kids but why is it

2082
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,679
that kids are like never

2083
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:36,719
they never meet Aliens or they're never

2084
01:24:50,689 --> 01:24:47,570
a spaceship

2085
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:50,699
did they speak another language to each

2086
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:52,739
other and they spoke English to you or

2087
01:24:57,050 --> 01:24:55,260
did they just I heard I heard Snippets

2088
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:57,060
of their conversation of their language

2089
01:25:02,750 --> 01:24:59,460
yes they have they have a language a

2090
01:25:05,390 --> 01:25:02,760
very um very complex language but mostly

2091
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:05,400
I heard when they were speaking with me

2092
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,580
and among me they usually usually used

2093
01:25:13,790 --> 01:25:11,520
English and there were times when there

2094
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:13,800
might have been a small Exchange in

2095
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,060
their language that I didn't understand

2096
01:25:30,610 --> 01:25:18,000
but uh but mostly it was it was English

2097
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:33,169
their atmosphere is almost the same as

2098
01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:34,860
ours except it's got a slightly higher

2099
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:37,140
oxygen content but it's pretty it's

2100
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:45,350
ladies very smart she just asked the

2101
01:25:49,729 --> 01:25:47,219
question I was gonna ask

2102
01:25:51,410 --> 01:25:49,739
um so what you're implying here is that

2103
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,420
wherever they come from they have the

2104
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:53,280
same

2105
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,840
um physical attributes that we do that

2106
01:26:01,010 --> 01:25:56,460
they would require food that they would

2107
01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:01,020
require an oxygen-rich atmosphere and in

2108
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:03,500
those respects they're similar to us yes

2109
01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:06,239
my second question would be

2110
01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:08,820
that if they are

2111
01:26:13,850 --> 01:26:12,060
watching us to see if we are

2112
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:13,860
good enough to make the grade so to

2113
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,260
speak and that they are preparing to

2114
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:18,480
speak with us and

2115
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:22,860
there are people being asked to be

2116
01:26:28,370 --> 01:26:26,000
ambassadors or whatever

2117
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:28,380
what's going to happen after they come

2118
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:30,420
out I mean is it are they just going to

2119
01:26:33,709 --> 01:26:32,280
take this hands-off approach and we're

2120
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:33,719
going to acknowledge that they're there

2121
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:36,239
and we are here and we are welcome to

2122
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:38,219
join them if we can be peaceful folks

2123
01:26:42,649 --> 01:26:39,600
and they're just going to move on or

2124
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,659
what the way well I don't have I don't

2125
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:44,639
have all the details uh that's all going

2126
01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:45,600
to be worked out in the summit

2127
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:46,620
conference and Summer Conference is

2128
01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:48,060
going to take so it's like three years

2129
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:50,940
to to to to to Hammer Hammer out these

2130
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:52,500
these things but I think basically what

2131
01:26:58,850 --> 01:26:56,100
it is it's a um it's a um it's a

2132
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:58,860
security thing uh you don't you don't

2133
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:02,340
get into space unless you pass muster I

2134
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,280
I agree with that and uh and uh I

2135
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:07,199
suspect that uh that they'll give us a

2136
01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:09,780
helping hand in order to get us going uh

2137
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:12,120
give us a leg up to get us going on our

2138
01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:13,980
own Journey but our destiny is in our

2139
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:17,300
own hands and we're on our own uh and as

2140
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:20,580
whatever progress we we make will be

2141
01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:23,340
will be due to our own initiative we're

2142
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:24,780
not going to just become a bunch of lazy

2143
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,920
bums in which they're going to hand over

2144
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:27,120
everything to us we're going to continue

2145
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:30,900
to have to be be enter enterprising and

2146
01:27:36,649 --> 01:27:34,639
and and and intelligent and and you know

2147
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:36,659
you know we're going to have to control

2148
01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:38,520
our own destiny and whether we we

2149
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,199
succeed or fail is going to depend upon

2150
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:43,199
us well I I agree with that and I would

2151
01:27:46,490 --> 01:27:44,639
also have to concur with you that the

2152
01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:46,500
idea of the Grays being like the only

2153
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:48,179
people or folks that would be coming

2154
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:51,540
around here is tedious at best

2155
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,260
um

2156
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:54,719
the people that you're describing have

2157
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:57,300
every possibility of existing and coming

2158
01:28:01,850 --> 01:27:59,400
here as much as as the Grays or anybody

2159
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,860
else would it's a very large universe

2160
01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:04,320
and um I that's an old idea that's

2161
01:28:09,410 --> 01:28:06,300
accountable many people would disagree

2162
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:09,420
with you but uh you know I know that

2163
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,840
anyway thank you thank you

2164
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:14,639
I got two questions

2165
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,440
first of all

2166
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:19,440
the information that they gave you

2167
01:28:24,350 --> 01:28:22,260
what would be considered the priority

2168
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:24,360
message and the second question I have

2169
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,189
um you know I

2170
01:28:35,570 --> 01:28:33,900
I didn't I really didn't understand much

2171
01:28:37,010 --> 01:28:35,580
of what you said at all I don't know if

2172
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,020
you have an accent or if you get too

2173
01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:38,880
close to the microphone information they

2174
01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:40,920
gave you all the information you've

2175
01:28:47,810 --> 01:28:44,280
received yes any messages all the data

2176
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,820
information that you have received when

2177
01:28:52,189 --> 01:28:49,920
you were communicating with them

2178
01:28:55,370 --> 01:28:52,199
what could be considered the priority

2179
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,350
the most important thing

2180
01:29:03,110 --> 01:28:59,280
so to speak and the second question is

2181
01:29:05,629 --> 01:29:03,120
what is their incentive to come here

2182
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:05,639
what was their incentive to come here

2183
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:09,600
oh well they whenever they come across a

2184
01:29:13,970 --> 01:29:12,540
civilization uh uh

2185
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:13,980
um

2186
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,560
a a a an inhabited planet with

2187
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,000
intelligent life

2188
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:20,760
uh they they always monitor those who

2189
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:21,960
whenever they're discovered they're

2190
01:29:25,490 --> 01:29:24,120
monitored so they're incentive to come

2191
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:25,500
here is they're just simply exploring

2192
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,020
the heavens they happen to they happen

2193
01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:31,199
to discover us that's that's the one

2194
01:29:34,129 --> 01:29:32,280
thing

2195
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:34,139
um the the first part of your question

2196
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,360
uh does every did everybody anybody

2197
01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:39,120
understand that to could what's the top

2198
01:29:46,750 --> 01:29:40,980
priority

2199
01:29:52,129 --> 01:29:49,669
like for example if you talk with a

2200
01:29:54,530 --> 01:29:52,139
person and the person gives you 10

2201
01:29:56,450 --> 01:29:54,540
different things to do for homework and

2202
01:29:59,169 --> 01:29:56,460
which one is the most important one that

2203
01:30:01,550 --> 01:29:59,179
you need to do first priority

2204
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:01,560
I'm not sure I'm not sure I could answer

2205
01:30:07,490 --> 01:30:03,960
because there was no directives given at

2206
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:07,500
all uh they simply they simply explained

2207
01:30:14,810 --> 01:30:11,580
what they're doing here and what we can

2208
01:30:16,729 --> 01:30:14,820
expect but they're not laying down any

2209
01:30:19,550 --> 01:30:16,739
laws they're not making any orders or

2210
01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:19,560
demands they're just telling us uh

2211
01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:22,199
they're just basically telling us what

2212
01:30:27,890 --> 01:30:25,500
what we can expect and again

2213
01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:27,900
I I have to go back to I have to go back

2214
01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:30,420
to my basic nature of of being a skeptic

2215
01:30:36,410 --> 01:30:33,540
uh this is I'm describing my experience

2216
01:30:37,729 --> 01:30:36,420
this is not the gospel uh I still

2217
01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:37,739
there's still a tug of war going on

2218
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:39,060
inside me I'm still trying to come to

2219
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:41,460
terms with this by my logical nature

2220
01:30:46,850 --> 01:30:45,060
tells me you know what what is this is I

2221
01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:46,860
mean I'll accept Madness if that's what

2222
01:30:51,890 --> 01:30:48,780
if that's what it is I'll accept Aaron

2223
01:30:53,810 --> 01:30:51,900
brain chemistry I'll accept uh a fantasy

2224
01:30:55,370 --> 01:30:53,820
conjured up by a troubled mind trying to

2225
01:30:56,990 --> 01:30:55,380
deal with deep-rooted psychological

2226
01:30:59,450 --> 01:30:57,000
problems I mean if that's what's going

2227
01:31:02,270 --> 01:30:59,460
on with me I want to know but until

2228
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:02,280
until someone can prove to that to that

2229
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,620
that to me I have to go by my sensory

2230
01:31:09,169 --> 01:31:06,960
Impressions which tell me that this is

2231
01:31:11,629 --> 01:31:09,179
the experience I had and all I can do is

2232
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:11,639
describe it but I'm not going to I'm not

2233
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:14,040
going to close my mind to other

2234
01:31:18,830 --> 01:31:16,500
possibilities I could be uh you know I

2235
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:18,840
could be Satan for all I know I don't

2236
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,480
know you know I'll keep my mind open to

2237
01:31:26,110 --> 01:31:23,760
I don't think I am but I'll keep my mind

2238
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:26,120
open to it reword the question

2239
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,980
let me ask you the same question in a

2240
01:31:33,050 --> 01:31:30,480
much different way

2241
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:33,060
which one would you think was the most

2242
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:34,920
interesting statement they have made

2243
01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:37,020
towards you

2244
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:44,149
the most interesting statement

2245
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:45,420
um

2246
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:47,460
[Music]

2247
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:49,620
I can't think of any particular

2248
01:31:56,090 --> 01:31:51,480
statement

2249
01:32:02,750 --> 01:32:00,229
I was just simply flabbergasted that

2250
01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:02,760
that this existed I've that this goes

2251
01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:05,780
against this goes against everything

2252
01:32:16,430 --> 01:32:14,030
um I I I I I'm just dealing with that

2253
01:32:18,350 --> 01:32:16,440
everything they said to me was a

2254
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:18,360
revelation everything they said was

2255
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:20,159
important every word was important

2256
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:21,960
because I never believed I never

2257
01:32:24,530 --> 01:32:23,100
believed they were there thought of the

2258
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,540
words in the first place

2259
01:32:29,209 --> 01:32:26,880
so

2260
01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:29,219
next question okay I have two questions

2261
01:32:33,709 --> 01:32:31,800
one simple and quick and one's a little

2262
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,719
more complicated the simple and quick

2263
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,239
question in your book you say that these

2264
01:32:41,090 --> 01:32:38,159
verdants are the only species which has

2265
01:32:44,930 --> 01:32:41,100
colonized the universe is that accurate

2266
01:32:51,290 --> 01:32:46,250
um

2267
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,300
if I recall I did I did say that I think

2268
01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:53,760
they told me I think they told me

2269
01:32:57,290 --> 01:32:54,360
um

2270
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:57,300
you know I I know this I know the story

2271
01:33:00,890 --> 01:32:59,580
in general but the the small details get

2272
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,900
away from me like whether they're 14

2273
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:02,159
million light years away or 10 million

2274
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:05,040
light years away if I recall uh I think

2275
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:06,900
they are the only species that they know

2276
01:33:13,250 --> 01:33:11,040
of that have colonized uh other other

2277
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:13,260
planets that the other species that are

2278
01:33:18,770 --> 01:33:16,199
in the Federation are basically One

2279
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:18,780
Planet species that this is that this

2280
01:33:24,530 --> 01:33:21,480
species uh has more than one planet

2281
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:24,540
because of its burgeoning population if

2282
01:33:30,110 --> 01:33:27,840
I recall uh

2283
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:30,120
uh that's yes that's the answer okay and

2284
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:31,500
secondly

2285
01:33:37,490 --> 01:33:34,199
when did you tell your wife about your

2286
01:33:39,169 --> 01:33:37,500
experiences what did that win did you

2287
01:33:43,729 --> 01:33:39,179
tell your wife about your experience

2288
01:33:47,090 --> 01:33:43,739
okay and how did she react okay

2289
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:47,100
a gentleman and a scholar thank you

2290
01:33:52,430 --> 01:33:48,480
um

2291
01:33:55,729 --> 01:33:53,930
came back home

2292
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:55,739
that night

2293
01:34:01,310 --> 01:33:59,760
and I have been in the den typing and I

2294
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:01,320
knew that I was going to have to break

2295
01:34:04,910 --> 01:34:03,120
the news

2296
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:04,920
um

2297
01:34:10,669 --> 01:34:06,420
and

2298
01:34:12,350 --> 01:34:10,679
you see I'm a very opinionated

2299
01:34:13,729 --> 01:34:12,360
I was going to say bastard but I won't

2300
01:34:15,709 --> 01:34:13,739
say that

2301
01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:15,719
um very opinionated person I have an

2302
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:18,120
opinion on everything uh most newspaper

2303
01:34:21,709 --> 01:34:19,860
men do I think I mean I'll sit there and

2304
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,719
watch the television and I'll constantly

2305
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,480
critique it you know until she's Jesus

2306
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:26,239
you know

2307
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:29,340
I assumed that

2308
01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:32,639
I assume that because she never really

2309
01:34:36,649 --> 01:34:34,500
gave me an argument on everything she

2310
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:36,659
agreed with everything I said

2311
01:34:41,090 --> 01:34:40,080
so uh so I assumed that she was a

2312
01:34:44,209 --> 01:34:41,100
skeptic

2313
01:34:47,450 --> 01:34:44,219
so when she came back or when I came

2314
01:34:49,970 --> 01:34:47,460
back she and she came she came home

2315
01:34:51,890 --> 01:34:49,980
um I started softening her up over a

2316
01:34:53,689 --> 01:34:51,900
period of several days

2317
01:34:55,370 --> 01:34:53,699
um and the television was running a lot

2318
01:34:57,530 --> 01:34:55,380
on this stuff and let's say I'd say

2319
01:34:58,850 --> 01:34:57,540
something like you know what um there

2320
01:35:03,709 --> 01:34:58,860
may be something to this alien thing

2321
01:35:07,550 --> 01:35:05,330
you know that's really way out of

2322
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,560
character and then maybe the next day

2323
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:10,320
maybe the next day you know I'm not sure

2324
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:12,120
that you know I'm not sure that all of

2325
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:15,060
these people have can be wackos you know

2326
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,960
and uh you know and then you know I

2327
01:35:21,890 --> 01:35:20,400
softened her up it's over three or four

2328
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:21,900
days and finally I says you know what I

2329
01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:25,199
said I had a dream that uh that I was

2330
01:35:30,169 --> 01:35:27,000
that I was abducted man it was really

2331
01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:30,179
weird you know and really yeah yeah and

2332
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:32,940
uh and then after that I said um you

2333
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,739
know um

2334
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:36,719
um I don't think it was a dream after

2335
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:38,760
all I think it really happened

2336
01:35:44,270 --> 01:35:43,500
and uh she just you know the eyebrow and

2337
01:35:46,729 --> 01:35:44,280
um

2338
01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:46,739
and she's been she's a very loyal wife

2339
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,219
we've been married 32 years and uh she

2340
01:35:54,169 --> 01:35:52,320
um although um

2341
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:54,179
maybe this explains it she was born in

2342
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:55,530
Mexico so she is an alien

2343
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,040
[Laughter]

2344
01:36:03,169 --> 01:36:01,440
although a legal one

2345
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:03,179
um

2346
01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:06,239
I just she she doesn't she doesn't say

2347
01:36:11,209 --> 01:36:08,460
anything she doesn't bring it up but

2348
01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:11,219
she's very quiet about it she just I

2349
01:36:15,649 --> 01:36:12,600
took a couple of books and took him to

2350
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:15,659
her office and and and and she's a

2351
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:16,860
chiropractor and I put them at her

2352
01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:18,900
office and finally she made them take

2353
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:20,280
made me take them out of there because

2354
01:36:23,810 --> 01:36:22,260
she was she doesn't want to deal with

2355
01:36:27,110 --> 01:36:23,820
the questions she wanted nothing she

2356
01:36:29,930 --> 01:36:27,120
didn't want to deal with it and uh so

2357
01:36:31,850 --> 01:36:29,940
um so then I started thinking well you

2358
01:36:33,410 --> 01:36:31,860
know what maybe

2359
01:36:34,729 --> 01:36:33,420
um maybe she hasn't been the same

2360
01:36:37,070 --> 01:36:34,739
skeptic that I've been all along maybe

2361
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,080
she's been a Believer all along and uh

2362
01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:39,360
and maybe she hasn't even been voting

2363
01:36:43,370 --> 01:36:40,380
the way I've been telling her for the

2364
01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:43,380
last 30 years also you know

2365
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:44,900
you know so

2366
01:36:50,330 --> 01:36:47,760
so she she doesn't she doesn't say much

2367
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:50,340
she supports me and and that's it maybe

2368
01:36:52,970 --> 01:36:51,840
she'll have something to say someday I

2369
01:36:55,729 --> 01:36:52,980
don't know maybe she knows something I

2370
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:57,709
I have a couple of questions I'll just

2371
01:37:01,430 --> 01:37:00,239
there's related they're related I just

2372
01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:01,440
want to get them out you can handle them

2373
01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:03,659
in any way you wish

2374
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:05,340
get a sense that

2375
01:37:10,610 --> 01:37:07,380
okay

2376
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,620
did you get a sense that um you were the

2377
01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:12,960
only one being requested to do this

2378
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:15,420
white paper or that other people like

2379
01:37:19,129 --> 01:37:17,040
herself perhaps in other countries or

2380
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,139
continents were being asked to do the

2381
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,360
same secondly you gave the impression

2382
01:37:25,070 --> 01:37:23,280
earlier you couldn't go into something

2383
01:37:28,129 --> 01:37:25,080
something has happened since your return

2384
01:37:29,870 --> 01:37:28,139
from this experience is this because you

2385
01:37:31,490 --> 01:37:29,880
understand that you are not supposed to

2386
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,500
just like perhaps the ambassadors are

2387
01:37:35,090 --> 01:37:33,360
not supposed to reveal themselves for a

2388
01:37:36,830 --> 01:37:35,100
time I can't I can't answer that

2389
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:36,840
question

2390
01:37:40,729 --> 01:37:38,280
um I could what was the first part of

2391
01:37:43,129 --> 01:37:40,739
the question um do I do I think anybody

2392
01:37:45,229 --> 01:37:43,139
else was given the the same assignment I

2393
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:45,239
have no idea I have no idea what their

2394
01:37:49,129 --> 01:37:46,860
assignments are I know that the the

2395
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,139
ambassadors are are supposed to be

2396
01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:51,840
instrumental in bringing about the the

2397
01:37:55,550 --> 01:37:54,300
um the uh the the summit conference the

2398
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:55,560
people who are doing the supporting

2399
01:37:59,149 --> 01:37:58,020
roles such as myself I don't know what

2400
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,159
the other guys are doing maybe they're

2401
01:38:02,930 --> 01:38:01,199
maybe they're supposed to be making

2402
01:38:05,149 --> 01:38:02,940
bleachers or something you know or

2403
01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:05,159
welding or something I don't I don't

2404
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:07,260
know but I have no idea if anybody else

2405
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,560
has been uh given a writing assignment

2406
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,960
okay my question also concerns the

2407
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,880
ambassadors you say in your book that

2408
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:17,520
you know the whole list and who they are

2409
01:38:22,610 --> 01:38:20,639
and understandably you can't say who

2410
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:22,620
they are because they are all prominent

2411
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,600
people

2412
01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:26,639
it seems to me that the aggressive

2413
01:38:32,270 --> 01:38:30,300
political military and corporate

2414
01:38:34,610 --> 01:38:32,280
factions of the world could greatly

2415
01:38:35,689 --> 01:38:34,620
benefit from that list have you ever

2416
01:38:42,770 --> 01:38:35,699
felt

2417
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:46,790
um um I'm I have to mull this over very

2418
01:38:50,270 --> 01:38:48,540
carefully first of all no I never I

2419
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:50,280
never felt threatened

2420
01:38:55,310 --> 01:38:51,900
um

2421
01:39:02,169 --> 01:38:58,550
your other statements

2422
01:39:04,970 --> 01:39:02,179
I can't talk about

2423
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:04,980
you say that I know I can only tell you

2424
01:39:08,990 --> 01:39:06,960
what's in the book I think you made some

2425
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:09,000
statements that may not be in the book

2426
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,260
which I can neither confirm nor deny all

2427
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,080
I can do is is is is tell you what's in

2428
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:17,520
the book and confirm what's in the book

2429
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,570
uh are you glad this has happened to you

2430
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:25,679
or is ignorance Bliss would you have

2431
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:28,500
rather not have uh it's it's it's

2432
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:29,040
um

2433
01:39:34,610 --> 01:39:30,600
you know it's something I could really

2434
01:39:37,129 --> 01:39:34,620
do without uh I I miss I I I don't like

2435
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:37,139
the I don't like the loss of privacy I'm

2436
01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:39,300
a very private person

2437
01:39:47,390 --> 01:39:43,500
um I um I don't like I don't like being

2438
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:47,400
isolated by people that I've been around

2439
01:39:53,450 --> 01:39:51,060
all my life uh I don't like the loss of

2440
01:39:55,070 --> 01:39:53,460
several friends that I've had to I've

2441
01:39:56,810 --> 01:39:55,080
had to suffer

2442
01:39:59,090 --> 01:39:56,820
um quite frankly

2443
01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:59,100
um uh when I try to tell other people

2444
01:40:03,229 --> 01:40:01,500
when I did when the book was was was

2445
01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:03,239
going to be published I knew I had to

2446
01:40:06,770 --> 01:40:04,920
start telling my friends and I

2447
01:40:09,470 --> 01:40:06,780
experimented with it and I I so I called

2448
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:09,480
up a I called up a uh a relative by

2449
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:10,800
marriage

2450
01:40:18,350 --> 01:40:13,920
um who I I I'm not very close to I don't

2451
01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:18,360
see often uh every every few years and I

2452
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,520
just kind of experimented on her and I

2453
01:40:24,649 --> 01:40:23,280
said guess what I said I sold a book oh

2454
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:24,659
that's wonderful you know he says yeah

2455
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,060
what's it about I said uh oh it's about

2456
01:40:30,770 --> 01:40:29,040
alien abduction she says oh science

2457
01:40:32,689 --> 01:40:30,780
inspection she says all right I'm

2458
01:40:36,290 --> 01:40:32,699
looking forward to reading it I said

2459
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,300
well it's it's not science fiction and

2460
01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:38,880
she says oh you interviewed somebody

2461
01:40:45,530 --> 01:40:42,540
who's been abducted and I said no it's

2462
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:45,540
kind of a personal account and the

2463
01:40:50,990 --> 01:40:47,520
conversation kind of deteriorated from

2464
01:40:53,629 --> 01:40:51,000
there and uh so

2465
01:40:54,649 --> 01:40:53,639
um so that was not a success and so I

2466
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:54,659
thought well how am I going to tell my

2467
01:40:57,649 --> 01:40:55,980
best friends how am I going to tell my

2468
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,659
family how am I going to tell uh you

2469
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:59,280
know my my neighbors I don't have to

2470
01:41:01,810 --> 01:41:00,719
tell my neighbor's own to you know to

2471
01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:01,820
talk to them

2472
01:41:05,709 --> 01:41:04,440
but I do have to tell my family I have

2473
01:41:08,410 --> 01:41:05,719
to tell my friends

2474
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:08,420
and quite frankly

2475
01:41:14,649 --> 01:41:12,239
some of my friends being who they are

2476
01:41:18,169 --> 01:41:14,659
and where they come from they uh

2477
01:41:19,970 --> 01:41:18,179
one was very brutal and it accused me of

2478
01:41:24,189 --> 01:41:19,980
of

2479
01:41:29,450 --> 01:41:24,199
a hoax

2480
01:41:32,330 --> 01:41:29,460
and so I simply at that point I knew

2481
01:41:35,090 --> 01:41:32,340
there was no way to really rationally

2482
01:41:37,850 --> 01:41:35,100
tell anybody about this

2483
01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:37,860
um and and uh and and and Salvage any

2484
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,960
relationship the the relationship is

2485
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:41,760
going to either it's going to survive or

2486
01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:43,860
it's going to fail uh there's nothing I

2487
01:41:46,970 --> 01:41:45,420
can do all I can do is tell them so I

2488
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:46,980
let them draw their own conclusions if

2489
01:41:50,330 --> 01:41:48,600
they said I was a fraud and a phony

2490
01:41:52,910 --> 01:41:50,340
that's fine I didn't argue with them if

2491
01:41:55,729 --> 01:41:52,920
they said that it was nuts that's fine

2492
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,739
if they just thought I was nuts or I got

2493
01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:57,119
over the deep end that's fine I didn't

2494
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:58,500
argue with them I just simply told them

2495
01:42:03,530 --> 01:42:01,199
that I wrote this book and my step my

2496
01:42:04,910 --> 01:42:03,540
stock answer has been the book speaks

2497
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,920
for itself and I'm just simply not gonna

2498
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:06,239
I'm not gonna try to convince or

2499
01:42:13,129 --> 01:42:11,030
so

2500
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:13,139
there are a number of areas that were

2501
01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:14,940
touched on tonight that you indicated

2502
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:17,100
you cannot talk about and I get the

2503
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:18,840
impression it was because you were told

2504
01:42:24,290 --> 01:42:22,080
not to talk about these areas that

2505
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:24,300
perhaps a public that would ask about

2506
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:27,199
them like I am uh are not ready to hear

2507
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:30,420
is there any explanation as to why you

2508
01:42:34,930 --> 01:42:32,340
can't talk about these areas

2509
01:42:37,609 --> 01:42:34,940
no

2510
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:37,619
okay do you realize that this kind of

2511
01:42:42,169 --> 01:42:40,320
reaction to an open question by a human

2512
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,179
about something that could be visiting

2513
01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:44,400
our planet is one of the exact reasons

2514
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,619
that we have problems uh with the field

2515
01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:49,440
do you realize that uh repeat the

2516
01:42:54,890 --> 01:42:52,260
question please the re the kind of the

2517
01:42:56,570 --> 01:42:54,900
way you're cutting off information is

2518
01:42:59,149 --> 01:42:56,580
one of the things that people in this

2519
01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:59,159
field have had to fight uh over and over

2520
01:43:03,950 --> 01:43:01,260
again in order to try to find out what's

2521
01:43:06,350 --> 01:43:03,960
really going on and so my question is

2522
01:43:07,149 --> 01:43:06,360
why would they cut off a piece of

2523
01:43:10,129 --> 01:43:07,159
information

2524
01:43:11,390 --> 01:43:10,139
through someone like you was supposedly

2525
01:43:13,010 --> 01:43:11,400
a conduit

2526
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:13,020
I think you're reading yeah I think

2527
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:15,060
you're reading uh more into it than I've

2528
01:43:19,729 --> 01:43:17,460
said I I never said that I was told that

2529
01:43:21,649 --> 01:43:19,739
I can't talk about this well that's what

2530
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:21,659
I'm asking were you told

2531
01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:29,030
because I I'm a person that

2532
01:43:31,790 --> 01:43:30,840
is a reporter I'm also a writer and

2533
01:43:34,129 --> 01:43:31,800
reporter

2534
01:43:36,890 --> 01:43:34,139
I understand and uh it's the same it's

2535
01:43:39,530 --> 01:43:36,900
the same uh I I you know I I mentioned

2536
01:43:42,530 --> 01:43:39,540
this and and and so people immediately

2537
01:43:43,729 --> 01:43:42,540
said why what happened and I said I

2538
01:43:45,050 --> 01:43:43,739
can't answer it I can't answer I can't

2539
01:43:46,490 --> 01:43:45,060
answer they can go on all day I can't

2540
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:46,500
answer it

2541
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:50,460
are we done thank you I hope that one

2542
01:43:54,290 --> 01:43:51,840
day you'll be able to tell us those

2543
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:54,300
things that you can't tell us tonight I

2544
01:43:58,160 --> 01:43:56,639
think I will be yes so thank you for